Calling all Bismarck and Tirpitz fans

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Antonio Bonomi
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Re: Calling all DKM Bismarck & Tirpitz fans

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Ciao all,

@ Seeadler290,

I seew what you mean about the 2 flak C30 cart's

Here the way I see it : the carts were exactly under the 2 searchlights platform that are aside the first A/A rangefinder, just after the mainmast going toward the ship stern.

It is a platform that ends joining the supports of the external boats stowed under the mainmast, the 2 external big boats.
The position itself is under the stairs that allows the sailors to reach the small platform between the first A/A rangefinder and the aft big rangefinder were the Baron von Mullheneim-Rechberg was in command.

Now it is quite obvious that they selected an area not very often used for normal ship activities, a dead end in fact under a stair as said.

Anyhow I see what you mean, it seems that the cart is without the wheels and placed very close to the wall.
I agree, probably they removed the cart wheels and stored them inside the cart itself just were the best Bismarck modeler in the world placed them and you can see it on his published book model photos.

http://www.kbismarck.com/models/bismarc ... aiser.html

In this way there was still free room to pass on the platform itself and probably was also easier for them to block the cart too.

Bye Antonio :thumbs_up_1:
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Antonio Bonomi wrote:Ciao all,

I agree, probably they removed the cart wheels and stored them inside the cart itself just were the best Bismarck modeler in the world placed them and you can see it on his published book model photos.
Bye Antonio :thumbs_up_1:
Thanks Antonio! I have been unable to obtain the excellent book on the Kaiser Bismarck and the online photos do not seem to cover the area where the SdAnh is stored on his ship. Not sure what you mean by stored "inside the cart", as it is just a aluminum tube framework (I am assisting in the restoration of a FlaK 38 20mm for a local museum). I also have the US field manual for this weapon and this storage method is not included. Might the wheels simply have been mounted to hooks on the bulkhead between the anhanger rails? From your description, I am surmising that the wheels are located flat against the bulkhead between the wide end of the two rails?

A second question you may be able to answer: Is the interior of the Arado hangers white? With a Schiffsbodenfarbe floor?
Thank you for your kind answers and time, and have a very Merry Christmas!
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Re: Calling all DKM Bismarck & Tirpitz fans

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Ciao all,

@ Seeadler290,

after I have posted here I have looked for more infos about those misterious wheels.

Here what I have found :

1 ) they are surely NOT inside the cart ( I mean on the deck floor in between the 2 cart legs were the wheels were originally mounted ) as on Kaiser model he placed them.

2) There is a very large dark box after the cart and under the big boat at the end of that deck; probably they were stowed in there as I do not see on that area anything else that could contain those 2 wheels.

For the colouring of the hangar, here the master is Olaf Held, ... our board moderator here, .. he is the best colour expert of Kriegsmarine ships .... :smallsmile:

Merry Christmas .... to everybody .... Antonio :thumbs_up_1:
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thank you for your time and kind response Antonio. Hope you had a very merry Christmas!
M. A. DeBacker
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Revell DKM Bismarck 1:350
Tauro RN Fiume, Pola, Zara, Gorizia 1:400
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Ciao all,

@ Seeadler290,

Many thanks,

.... on the AJPress Bismarck book Nr 19 - Bismarck-Tirpitz Cz. 5 at page 51 on top of the page you have a clear photo with full details on what I have stated above.

Bye Antonio :thumbs_up_1:
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Thanks Antonio, guess I need to buy that book! :thumbs_up_1:
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Revell DKM Bismarck 1:350
Tauro RN Fiume, Pola, Zara, Gorizia 1:400
Heller DKM Admiral Scheer 1:400
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Re: Calling all DKM Bismarck & Tirpitz fans

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Can anyone tell the story behind this photo? Its supposedly Bismarck photographed from the PE during the DS Battle but I'm not so sure because it almost looks as if the stem anchor is still attached. I found it in two of the books I own.
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hi mate
this is a 10 ft model of the bismarck. taken from the film
SINK THE BISMARCK
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Anyone catch this?

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Dont know if this has been posted on this forum since I didn't bother spending the time to look. But I will definetly be getting one when the price drops down like it did with their 1/200 Arizona.

http://scalemodels.ru/modules/news/img_ ... 8.jpg.html


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Re: Anyone catch this?

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Damn. That was meant for the Bismarck/Tirpitz thread in the battleship forum. Moderator...if you could move the please. Thanks. My mistake.
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Moved/merged. And yes, it was brought up in the Main Forum's Upcoming Releases thread, but it's good to have another link as well with the catalog entries scanned. Thanks!
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Thank you. I didn't even think of looking there. Sorry.
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Re: Calling all DKM Bismarck & Tirpitz fans

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Ciao all,

@ BobaFettSlave_1,

the photo above is a FALSE photo, surely NOT taken during the Denmark Strait battle.

Why ? Very simple .... as Bismarck sailed Gotenhafen for Op. Rheinubung WITHOUT the 3rd anchor on the bow that was left there on the harbour.

Every other original Bismarck Op. Rheinubung taken photo sdo show it.

Consequently that photo and/or his caption is a FALSE.

Bye Antonio :thumbs_up_1:
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Antonio Bonomi wrote:Ciao all,

@ BobaFettSlave_1,

the photo above is a FALSE photo, surely NOT taken during the Denmark Strait battle.

Why ? Very simple .... as Bismarck sailed Gotenhafen for Op. Rheinubung WITHOUT the 3rd anchor on the bow that was left there on the harbour.

Every other original Bismarck Op. Rheinubung taken photo sdo show it.

Consequently that photo and/or his caption is a FALSE.

Bye Antonio :thumbs_up_1:

Thats what I was thinking aswell. It does look to be a miniature used in filming, bow wake looks alittle odd yadda yadda. I just thought it interesting as it shows up in two books with basically the same caption
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Hi bob
the photo is a model from the film SINK THE BISMARCK..
Maybe Antonio missed that reply,so its not a fake picture its simply a still from the film .
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Antonio Bonomi wrote:For the colouring of the hangar, here the master is Olaf Held, ... our board moderator here, .. he is the best colour expert of Kriegsmarine ships .... :smallsmile:
A tad on the enthusiastic side, eh? :heh:

I never paid much attention to the hangar floors, I just would have built them closed on a model... (yes, the easy way...).

The question is interesting. The paint regulation do not list the hangars, but they call for a specific type of paint in rooms were fuel spillage could occur, IIRC. Hmmm ...

I can't remember were I saw a photo of a hangar ... I think the colour was pretty dark. It could have been the same or a similar hue used on the dark grey steel decks.

If in doubt, leave it out... :heh:

Happy modelling ~ Olaf!
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I have kind of an odd question that I'm hoping someone might be able to answer. Does anyone know the dimensions of the armor plates that were used on Bismarck? I wish to accurately represent the displaced armor belt for the wreck site model I am working on.

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hi bob
can tell you the width thickness was the same as a A4 sheet of paper.
i cannot remember the height.
In 2005 i was fortunate enough to visit the B and V shipyard and at the head of the slipway 9 if i remember rightly is a section of armour plate intended for Bismarck but wasnt used, and the guy put a A4 sheet of paper next to it to demonstrate that. it weighed 20 tons and they still use it for ballast.
A few learned friends were there too. i will never forget it
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1/200 Tirptiz Build - Any Interest

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Hello. We're in the process of finishing up a 1/200 custom build of a Tirpitz I commissioned late in 2010. During the build, I received a number of progress photos as the build progressed and wanted to know if there was any interest.

I'm just the collector so I probably would be challenged to answer too many questions but thought perhaps build photos might prove of interest to others in the build process. Just didn't want to highjack this thread but attached an early and a late photo to wet your appetite.

Let me know if more would be appropriate.

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Many thanks for this teaser, I would love to see more of it, maybe in a separate thread? (just to see a bit more about the colours used...)

Happy modelling ~ Olaf!
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