Calling all RM Littorio-class fans!

[Secondo]

Quick question, why the Italians used so big turrets for the Vittorio Veneto class ?

Apart from the sheer size of the guns' breeches, the turrets had to house a rangefinder and (in #2 and #3) a ballistic computer for autonomous firing direction.

[TI4438]

For those of you that have built the Trumpeter 1/350 Roma,could you post some pics of the life boats and rafts? This kit is hitting my bench next.
I'll gladly accept any pointers or assistance you can offer.

Thanks

Ed

[chuck]

Quick question, why the Italians used so big turrets for the Vittorio Veneto class ?

Apart from the sheer size of the guns' breeches, the turrets had to house a rangefinder and (in #2 and #3) a ballistic computer for autonomous firing direction.

Hmmm, other people's main turrets also house long base-line range finders and fire control director, why is Italian turret so long?

Also, the actual fire control computer in British, American and Japanese ships would be too big to fit even in an enlarge turret. They typically take up 2-3 large compartments elsewhere in the ship.

In modernized Japanese battleships, entire former boiler rooms were devoted to the new fire control computer.

[Secondo]

Hmmm, other people's main turrets also house long base-line range finders and fire control director, why is Italian turret so long?

Also, the actual fire control computer in British, American and Japanese ships would be too big to fit even in an enlarge turret. They typically take up 2-3 large compartments elsewhere in the ship.

In modernized Japanese battleships, entire former boiler rooms were devoted to the new fire control computer.

Well, if the 381/50 could outrange any other naval rifle, that came to a cost in terms of use of internal volumes



About the FCCs, not present in the drawing above, they were a miniaturised version of the common hardware found in the main FC room

[Secondo]

Sorry for the consecutive post, but I think that this deserved to be properly shown

It's the film "La nave bianca", by the future neorealism film director Roberto Rossellini. It's a propaganda film of 1941 but some of the basic principles of neorealism, such as the use of actors taken from the contest and the absence of a true protagonist, are already there.

What's more interesting for us, the reason why I post it here, is that the first part was filmed aboard Littorio and Vittorio Veneto. If you have an interest for those ships, you just can't miss this one.

Some actual battle footage taken aboard Giulio Cesare at the action off Calabria was also used; you can easily make it out as it's a completely different ship. I'm almost 100% sure that all the interior shoots were filmed on a Littorio. The part of interest for us starts roughly @ 14 minutes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wJo00OD6aI

[JIM BAUMANN]

I have that film on DVD

Its great!!!


JIM B

[falcon04]

Thanks so much for the lead to "La nave bianca" !!!

A couple of screen caps of the "fishbone" Littorio:





The airborne cameraman WOULD miss the bow !

[Atma]

Oh nice one, interesting that the number 3# turret was able to fire from that angle.

[Giampiero]

Scheme Stripes bow and stern Littorio

The Pe Littorio e Veneto in production

Follow stripes Veneto

Ciao
Giampiero

[falcon04]

Giampiero - thank you very much for all your research and hard work on the deck striping.

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Did the the Littorio and V. Veneto land the 3rd anchor ( aft anchor on starboard side), & if so, when ?

Also, I assume that this is the V.Veneto ( Inner cover pic from "The Littorio Class", Bagnasco & de Toro)

[Giampiero]

Ciao Falcon,
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Did the the Littorio and V. Veneto land the 3rd anchor ( aft anchor on starboard side), & if so, when ?

Scheme:
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Also, I assume that this is the V.Veneto ( Inner cover pic from "The Littorio Class", Bagnasco & de Toro)

Yes is Vittorio Veneto , recognition from the main rangefinders and two rangefinders lateral placed on structures a.a. the sides of the funnels.


Giampiero

[Giampiero]

Scheme Stripes bow and stern Vittorio Veneto

Giampiero

[Atma]

Thank you Giampiero for the scheme stripes. Great work as always

[Secondo]

I'm glad you like the film guys

Here's a little tease for those of you who want a different Littorio

[photo found on forummarine.com]



The newborn ship with her original bow, still lacking her flak and rangefinders. Sea trials soon showed the deficiency of this bow design which caused vibrations and had the forecastle submerged while steaming at full speed, so the bow was subsequently rebuilt in the form we all know.

[Atma]

She still looks amazing

[falcon04]

What is the actual width of the black boot topping in feet or meters ?

[Atma]

Secondo or anyone else, can you post photos of RM Vittorio Veneto class after the war ?
Thanks in advance.

[mpgl62]

Secondo or anyone else, can you post photos of RM Vittorio Veneto class after the war ?
Thanks in advance.

http://digilander.libero.it/planciacoma ... _dei_2.htm

and

http://digilander.libero.it/planciacoma ... _dei_3.htm

"Mannaggia la miseria"


Regards

[Secondo]

Italia at the Bitter Lakes with destroyer Legionario



Probably Italia, 1947 (notice the temporary bow jack)



Vittorio Veneto, 1947



Sorry Falcon, I have no clue about the width of the boot topping; in fact I think it changed in time, on the photo above it's much higher than it was in wartime

[peppe]

first foto is vittorio veneto, note the rangefinder
cioa peppe