Calling all Kriegsmarine Deutschland-class (Panzerschiffe) fans

[Seeadler290]

Sorry, nothing in 1/72. They would be very, very large sheets.

[Bill Dickson]

Hi There

I am building Academy's premium edition and I have a problem decifering what goes on the stern deck between the last two bolards. Academy on their kit plans show an AA and the anchor chain going to the capstain at the froward end of the deck, Their Photo Etch instructions don't show where it starts from. I have checked other ships in the gallery and all the photos of the real ship, they all show different things, real ship photos of the stern are hard to find and see the configuration on the deck. Some models show the AA gun between the bollards and some don't. If the AA isn't there what is there for the anchor chain, All instructions and photos I have seen don't make it very clear.

I hope I am explaining this sufficiently enough to get help from you guys.

Thanks for any suggestions

Bill

[Olaf Held]

Hi Bill ~ I felt free to merge your topic with the existing one.

With regard to your question, please have a look at those illustrations:

http://kbismarck.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=467

If they are correct, they did not change a thing on the stern deck. The anchor cable seems just to disappear into that 'box'. I'm not sure what is going on there, we need to look at other KM ships of that time and how they did it.

Happy modelling ~ Olaf!

[BillDickson]

thanks Olaf

[DKMkarl]

Hi all
Im going to buy a 1/350 Graf spee next week and im torn between Both Academy premium edition or Trumpeter kit.
If I buy the Trump kit I will also get the Pontos wood decks and Seamaster barrel set.Both work out about the same price.

What would you recommend?

Many thanks
Karl

[Dave Martin]

DKMKARL -

If you start at page three (3) of this thread, and read on, there is an in-depth comparison of both kits.

[Dave Martin]

I have a query about Admiral Scheer - Having just finished Koop's book on the Deutschland Class, I cannot find any answer as to why she had her pagoda-style tower replaced with a more pole-like structure.

Does any one know anything more as to why this structure was changed?

[Dick J]

I seem to recall reading that it was because the tower was too distinctive. For a raider that was trying to pass as something else until it was too late, the tower was too dificult to disguise. However, I don't remember where I got this, or how accurate it is.

[DKMkarl]

Well I orded the Academy premium edition after looking at both kits.Just like to thank WEM for keeping it for me as they only had 1 in stock when I phoned them up and they keeped it untill my money was available.
I will post some pictures of the box and sprue parts when it comes.
Feel like a kid at christmas

Cheers all
Karl

[drdoom1337]

Quick question about Spee's then floating wreckage. What colour would the ship have been after burning? I've been studying this image to try and figure it out. There look like some remnants of the light grey paint still there. Reason for this is I have a 1/400 LEE kit I cut the bow off and I figured I can still use the structures to make a wreck diorama.

[Seeadler290]

Any hope or rumors that either Trumpeter or Academy (or dare we hope, Dragon) will be producing an Admiral Scheer version?

[mellotronage]

Is anyone aware of photos or first-hand accounts of Graf Spee's supposed use of the AR-196 in French or RAF markings? I have seen artist's renderings of this; it's pure speculation on their part, or is there something to this?
The new volume of German Naval Camouflage '39-'41 does not reference this as far as I can tell..... BTW a very worthwhile purchase if DKM is your thing.

[BillGorm]

I'm building the Trumpeter kit and if you follow the instructions the backs of the 150mm turrets will be open. Is this correct or were the turrets fully enclosed? Based on several photos, I think they were enclosed. Does anyone who has built this kit know whether there is a "phantom" part included to represent the turret door?

[BillDickson]

Eduard PE have armoured doors in their set and the Eduard instructions show them fitted in the open position, suppose they could also be fitted in the closed position.

[BillGorm]

Thanks, Bill. I'm using the Eduard set so I'll see how they look in the "closed" position. Odd that Trumpeter wouldn't provide the turret doors ... unless I haven't found them yet. I know Dragon is known for phantom parts but I have less experience with Trumpeter kits.

[Timmy C]

An example of this gun is preserved in a Norwegian fortress, installed there by the Nazis. Here's a picture of the rear: http://lh6.ggpht.com/-5v04Sptqz3A/SH39z ... CF3827.JPG

It seems that there would be very little to no room for sailors to load/operate the gun if the doorway was closed. I recall reading elsewhere on the forum that a canvas piece was used to keep out the elements, rather than any substantial metal hatch.

[Filipe Ramires]

It seems that there would be very little to no room for sailors to load/operate the gun if the doorway was closed. I recall reading elsewhere on the forum that a canvas piece was used to keep out the elements, rather than any substantial metal hatch.

That is correct. The 5.9'' gun mount was not fully enclosed. A small part...about 1/3 of the beam of the shield...would be opened and closed only with canvas. I've posted a photo some time ago on the board about it that could clearly show the back of mount. Can't seem to find it but it was peacetime I believe with some high-ranking DKM officers passing by one of the 5.9''. Some of Spee's famous damage photos also show part of the back of the mounts in question.

[Bill Gormley]

I have a question about the Admiral Graf Spee's windlasses. I'm working from Abram Joslin/Antonio Bonomi's overhead view of the ship in December 1939 and it shows the top of the port side windlass painted in a red/white pinwheel and the top of the starboard side windlass painted in a green/white pinwheel. However, looking at photos of the Admiral Graf Spee at the time of the Spithead naval review the tops appear to be a uniform color and the sides to have been painted. Which is correct?

[Olaf Held]

Which is correct?

You are really asking if a photo or an illustration is correct?

Happy modelling ~ Olaf!

[Antonio Bonomi]

Hello everybody,

@ Bill,

I am having hard time realizing what you mean about the Graf Spee, ... can you attach here a pic of that detail so I can take a look for you.

Thanks ... Bye Antonio