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 Post subject: 1/700 USS Texas
PostPosted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 6:45 pm 
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After a couple of years of spoiling myself with a few 1/350 builds, I've decided to really challenge myself with another 1/700 kit. I was really excited to see that Samek was releasing a 1942 Texas kit so I purchased it from Pacfront without even seeing a picture of it. I got the kit the other day and now its time to get down to business. The kit represents the Texas during the second half of 1942 when she wore the very sweet looking MS-12 modified camo. This is a look I very much want to model but I am very torn between this look and the one I had in mind all along. After much debate with myself, I've decided to forge ahead with what I initially had planned. I am going to back date the kit to represent Texas in 1941. This means that nearly all (if not all) the gun tubs and splinter shields have to come off the hull and extensive superstructure work changes will have to happen. I'm most worried about the changes I will have to make to the different deck levels on the superstructure but I guess I will worry about that when the time comes. Now is the time to focus on the hull. Time to get out the exacto knife and start cutting. No turning back now.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 9:28 pm 
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I really, really am tempted to buy this kit... will be following your build with much interest.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 6:51 pm 
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Over the past 10 years or so, much discussion and debating has taken place over the colors of the Pacific Battlefleet during 1941, with the USS Arizona taking the main stage in the majority of these conversations. With all of this focus on the Pacific fleet, there came very little to no attention to what was discovered about the Atlantic Battlefleet, more specifically, USS Texas in 1941. For those of you that own Classic Warships Warship Pictorial #4 USS Texas BB-35, you know that Steve did an excellent job on this book capturing much of the history of this ship through photographs and drawings. Unfortunately though, there are no photographs of Texas in 1941. In fact, there are no photos between the dates of February 1940 through July 11, 1942. There is only one drawing of Texas as she appeared in 1941. The drawing shows her in Standard Navy Gray #5 and is captioned as "LATE 1941". Since the printing of this book, however, a few directives and a few photos of Texas have surfaced that have shown us something different than a Standard Navy Gray Texas during much of 1941.
Back when the "Blue Battleship" debate was at it's peak, Ron Smith wrote an article on this forum entitled " The colors of Pearl Harbor 5-D vs 5-S and Other Fun stuff". It has since been removed from this site. It discussed his research and thoughts on the colors of the Battleships at Pearl Harbor. All this Pearl Harbor color talk interested me a great deal, but within this article Ron also talks about "Other Fun stuff" as well. He spoke specifically about USS Texas during this same time period. First he states that "USS Texas experimentally darkens her decks late 1940 or early 1941". Then he wrote that he found a memo at the archives to Texas from June 1941 "ordering her to paint into Ms2 modified with her hull 5-D, everything above the decks 5-0 ocean grey and her tops to remain 5-L light grey as per Ms-1". This I found to be VERY interesting and instantly I wanted to model this look but there was no good models of Texas at the time and a few things about this discovery were too vague and confusing. First of all, how high did 5-0 go up if the entire hull was 5-D? Did the 5-0 go all the way up to the top of the stack just like 5-D did on the majority of MS-1 ships? Or did it stop at a different level? Secondly, why does it read "tops to remain 5-L"? Did Texas already have 5-L on her tops? If so, was she wearing MS-1 when this memo was presented to her?
Then a few photos started to show up. First came the "LIFE" photos that were released through Google. Within these photo archives are a few pictures of Norfolk Navy Yard during the spring/summer of 1941. These photos were taken to complement a September 1941 article in Life magazine entitled "Gearing Up for War at Norfolk Naval Shipyard". http://books.google.com/books?id=l0wEAA ... &q&f=false[url][/url]
These photos show USS Texas in something other that Standard Navy Gray and give a major clue how high 5-0 goes up.
Then, a series of eight excellent color photos from the summer of 1941 aboard Texas hit the web. Five of them can be seen here. http://www.ww2incolor.com/us-navy/usstexas2.html[url][/url]
These photos confirmed that 5-0 and 5-D were used on Texas and they gave me more looks at the height of the 5-0 paint and also answered the darkened deck question, but they also presented me with even more questions about what I was looking at. I'll save my observations for later as I progress on this build but now you know the basis of my build.
Here is a photo of how much I have taken off of the decks so far and the initial roughed in painting of the hull to get a feel for the look. I'll try to analyze the splinter shields and gun tubs tomorrow. For now, hope you enjoy looking at this stuff.
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 Post subject: Re: 1/700 USS Texas
PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 7:14 am 
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Oooooo nice find with the graded scheme; GO FOR IT!!!!! Can't wait to see this one :thumbs_up_1:

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 10:35 am 
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Excellent progress! :thumbs_up_1: :thumbs_up_1:



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That looks great. How are you finding the removal of the splinter shields? Do they come off easily with little clean-up, or are you left to rescribe a lot of planking detail?

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So we know that Texas was ordered into MS-2 modified in June 1941. I believe the 8 color photos http://www.bb35library.usstexasbb35.com ... 1color.htm[url][/url] were taken some time in July 1941 as the transition into this paint scheme was taking place but not yet completed. Then, Texas was ordered into Norfolk Navy Yard in August 1941 to start a war preparation refit which included the addition of splinter shields, gun tubs, changes to deck levels on the forward tripod, and the installation of a CXAM-1 radar atop the forward fighting top. If you look at the second photo of the eight in this link, you can see two 3" guns just to the left of the boat crane but there are no splinter shields around these guns.
The two photos below were taken in August 1941 as Texas began her refit. Evidence of splinter shields and gun tubs can now be seen just below the small dock crane in the first picture and just to the left of the small dock crane in the second picture.
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Then by October 1941, Texas has shields and tubs in place, a different looking Navigation Bridge, and she has lost her bird bath on top of the forward fighting top and replaced with a CXAM-1 radar platform.
Plus, now it appears that the MS-2 paint scheme is completely gone.
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So, if I have my timelines right, USS Texas wore MS-2 modified for less than a month before she went into the yard and slowly over the next three months was painted out as the refit progressed.
I have chosen to model Texas as she was in August 1941 during the beginning stages of this refit with some shields and tubs in place. Of course, a little artistic license is in order as well.
To answer Devin's question about the removal of the shields. It was a fairly painless process. This kit has all new tooling and the tubs were very thin to begin with and came off quite easily. I had to fill and scribe just a few spots.


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 Post subject: Re: 1/700 USS Texas
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One of the first things that I noticed about this kit was the lack of anchor plates.
So I went digging for pictures of the anchor plates. I knew that Classic Warhips Pictorial 34 USN Battleships in Color had this photo http://www.ww2incolor.com/us-navy/usstexas2.html[url][/url] in this wonderful book. So I grabbed the book off my shelf for a quick look at this photo. At first glance it IS the same photo of Texas' bow, and it is identified as Texas in the book, but I soon realized that I was not looking at Texas. The photo Steve actually has is the one and only known photograph of USS New York wearing MS-2 camouflage during the summer of 1941. She has a 5-D hull and 5-O turrets. This is a very cool photo that also shows the top of the #1 turret painted in 5-D. Now we have photographic proof that neither Texas nor New York had their #1 turrets painted yellow (BatDiv 5) while wearing MS-2 camo in 1941. Were their #2 turrets painted yellow? I still cannot find any hard evidence that Bat Div 5 painted any of their turrets per orders but this model is going to have a yellow turret. So after completing the anchor plates and drilling out the Hawse pipes
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I started working on the turrets.
Not only will the #2 turret have yellow on the top, the #5 turret will have red on top to signify the 1st ship of BatDiv5.
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It makes for a very colorful ship.


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She's looking good man :thumbs_up_1:

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I knew I would be in for a challenge by taking on this kit and trying to back date it to a 1941 look, but I knew it would be an achievable goal if the kit was a decently accurate 1942 version. Well, my initial enthusiasm has turned into utter dispair with this kit. Even if I was going to build this kit as a 1942 Texas, I would have to do major corrections to everything above the hull. I am completely floored by the lack of accuracy of the superstructure, main mast and photo etch on this kit.


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After a few months of shelving this project due to my frustrations with the accuracy issues I've decided to start back on the kit. The new Texas book by Squadron has motivated me to keep the project going. Mainly because the book does not discuss this camo.
I've done some work on the main mast and the superstructure. I am quickly learning that I am not very good at scratch building things. The different levels on the superstructure are turning into quite the challenge for me. I have also always had trouble getting tripods to line up properly on kits. It seems like the predrilled holes on the resin kits are never in the right place. Here are a couple shots of my progress so far.
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 Post subject: Re: 1/700 USS Texas
PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 4:16 pm 
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Jeff,

EXCELLENT work! And I don't know how I missed this build or the camo info before! I've got an old 1/350 Viking Texas that I didn't know what to do with and have actually been trying to sell. After reading your thread here though, I think I know what I'm going to do with it now! So if I read your posts correctly, and understood the pictures right, I could build the Texas with the bird bath on the forward mast and colored turrets in the Ms-2Mod scheme, correct? Whats nice about my Viking kit is the grand majority of the gun tubs are separate instead of molded in to the deck. Now I need to get the right superstructure set up.

Keep up the great work. Truly inspiring.

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 Post subject: Re: 1/700 USS Texas
PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 5:01 pm 
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Hi Abram,
Thanks for the complements.
Don't feel bad about missing the camo info. You are not the only one. Until Steve Wiper mentioned it in his WP-34 book it had never been published before. Everyone blindly assumed that Texas was the only ship in the US Navy to wear Standard Navy Gray until 1942. You are correct with the birdbath on the mainmast. You will have to make quite a bit of changes to the superstructure on your Viking kit.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 12:44 am 
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Jeff,

Do you have any good plans or pictures of the bridge/superstructure area for this time period?

Looking forward to more of your progress.

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Abram,
I'm using mainly this website for plans http://www.bb35library.usstexasbb35.com ... zeAll.html
it has a wealth of info. I'm also using Classic Warships and Squadron's Texas books for photos. That's it.
Hope this helps.


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Jeff,

Perfect, thanks for the help!

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This is my first attempt at the Mainmast using nothing but the parts from the kit. I left off one part that is supposed to go on top of the projector room for obvious reasons (you can see it in the pictures). The searchlight platform also had splinter shields that I eliminated. As you can see this is a poor representation of the mainmast.
One word comes to mind......"UGH!".
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Time to test my scratch building skills.


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I am putting the discarded piece from the kit to good use. It will now be my projector room. Since it is hollow it will allow better play to align the mast legs to the proper angle. Then I created a roof for the projector room out of styrene. Now I am in the process of fabricating a new search light platform. I copied the plan from the Texas website listed above and reduced it to the proper size. Now I need to transfer the image to a sheet of styrene and cut it out.
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Did some more work on the mainmast. Got the searchlight platform in place and fabricated the new birdbath. Notice the huge differences in the shapes between the kit's searchlight and birdbath platforms to the ones I fabricated from the plans. I'm now waiting on photo etched splinter shields to arrive for my birdbath. I may have to fudge the detailed support lattices under each platform a bit. It would be way to small in this scale for me to get exact.
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