XXXDAn
To HMS Victory and beyond
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My PLEASURE 
XXXDAn
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As five hands sometimes are not enough for rigging, I build myself a small rigging bench.

An inclined plane with a pin in the middle ...
... and two hairgrips on a holder. The holder can be fixed also pointing the other direction - or being left off - ...

... and even tiny bits can be worked on with ease
For serving small parts I included a hook on a thread. Turning the part in between the fingers, it is still nicely held under tension and does not wobble around

These are the nice bits one can do with it ...

... and even to be repeated precisely

Gru�, DAniel

An inclined plane with a pin in the middle ...
... and two hairgrips on a holder. The holder can be fixed also pointing the other direction - or being left off - ...

... and even tiny bits can be worked on with ease
For serving small parts I included a hook on a thread. Turning the part in between the fingers, it is still nicely held under tension and does not wobble around

These are the nice bits one can do with it ...

... and even to be repeated precisely

Gru�, DAniel
To Victory and beyond ...
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Re: To HMS Victory and beyond
What takes longer to construct? The model or the tools to build it?
Absolutely great work, thanks for sharing!
Happy modelling ~ Olaf!
Absolutely great work, thanks for sharing!
Happy modelling ~ Olaf!
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The longest takes to find out what is to be constructed, for that I can construct the construction tools to construct the model parts 
Thank you Olaf
Daniel
Thank you Olaf
Daniel
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Nurse! - Scalpel - wadding - death certificate ...

... please put the patient up ...

... adjust field of view ...

... look for culprit ...

... aaaaaaaaaand - CUT!!! ...

Dear Sirs and Madam, we proudly present bitstopper version 2.
The old one - not only looking more alike a blopp than a stopper - was a great security risk: only the thin lanyard was fixed on the anchor cable ...
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... not very stable. The right way now seen means that the stopper is lashed directly onto the anchor cable, only the turks head looking out, the rest of the lanyard being wormed along the cable and secured

Looks more heavy duty now ...

... also the bitstoppern ...

... and the dogstopper.

And so we get a nice new picture

Sincerily, Daniel

... please put the patient up ...

... adjust field of view ...

... look for culprit ...

... aaaaaaaaaand - CUT!!! ...

Dear Sirs and Madam, we proudly present bitstopper version 2.
The old one - not only looking more alike a blopp than a stopper - was a great security risk: only the thin lanyard was fixed on the anchor cable ...
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... not very stable. The right way now seen means that the stopper is lashed directly onto the anchor cable, only the turks head looking out, the rest of the lanyard being wormed along the cable and secured

Looks more heavy duty now ...

... also the bitstoppern ...

... and the dogstopper.

And so we get a nice new picture

Sincerily, Daniel
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I presume you will be supplying an endoscope for viewing the internals of the model....
JB

JB
....I buy them at three times the speed I build 'em.... will I live long enough to empty my stash...?
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Hello Jim,
apart that I do not like the picture quality of most of the enodoscpoes affordable and their restricted point of view I have one major problem: All cameras I found untill now do not fit in there as the space is too confined
I know it is just 1:100, and therefore for you lot considered gross motor skills, but still it is tiny for an old blind chap like me ...

XXXDAn
apart that I do not like the picture quality of most of the enodoscpoes affordable and their restricted point of view I have one major problem: All cameras I found untill now do not fit in there as the space is too confined
I know it is just 1:100, and therefore for you lot considered gross motor skills, but still it is tiny for an old blind chap like me ...
XXXDAn
To Victory and beyond ...
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HI Daniel
for a while,I thought I was on a forum on the open heart operation
more seriously , as usual ,a work really impressive of accuracy
superb
Nicolas
for a while,I thought I was on a forum on the open heart operation
superb
Nicolas
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Not too far off, Nicolas, not too far off,
but much more of a Brain Salad Surgery
XXXDAn
but much more of a Brain Salad Surgery
XXXDAn
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Daniel you are the Dr House of the plastic surgery
Nicolas
Nicolas
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Welcome back my friends to the show that never ends
We're so glad you could attend
Come inside! Come inside!
look who is talking

DAn
We're so glad you could attend
Come inside! Come inside!
look who is talking
DAn
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And it keeps hurting ...
... long time ago I proudly presented the pump ensemble ...
... but now, suddenly something was missing on the lower deck ...

...ouch...ouch...ouch...

...?!?
Long time ago I realised a remark in Arming and Fitting that from about 1740 on, the ships were supplied with an extra set of pumps. First quests were begative, but then I discovered the described sets of pumps on almost all plans in the NMM, among them the plans of the Vic of 1788, showing the etxra pumps on the middle deck.
Here is a montage of the three decks of the pumps area

One can nicely see the Layout: The single story pumps linked by the cistern, the double story pumps with a cistern each on the lower deck but not interconnected. But no technical details to be found.
The only place showing the details is Rob Napier�s book about the contemporary model of the HMS PRINCESS ROYAL 1773.
The linkage in between the two stories was in form of a well, all the lower deck cisterns have adapters for dales and the cranks of the single story pumps protrudes through the well of the two story pumps.
Why this arrangement almost never is shown? The curse of the museums ship?
So here we go adapting the pumps ...

... a touch of color, a tad of highlights and ink ...

...the clamps on the ships side for the dale�s round end pointing into the scupper, once open and once closed by a slider ...

... maneuvered onto its place ...

... and the pump ensemble shoved into its habitat too.

Interesting is the way the dales go ...

... being quite close to then guns.

That is why I do have the side entry port, for the nice view, and yes, I know, if the dale is fixed, the slider should have been taken off ...

And now we go on and have to fix some new cranks and drill some scuppers ...

... so the thrill goes on
Lieber Gru�, Daniel
... long time ago I proudly presented the pump ensemble ...
... but now, suddenly something was missing on the lower deck ...

...ouch...ouch...ouch...

...?!?
Long time ago I realised a remark in Arming and Fitting that from about 1740 on, the ships were supplied with an extra set of pumps. First quests were begative, but then I discovered the described sets of pumps on almost all plans in the NMM, among them the plans of the Vic of 1788, showing the etxra pumps on the middle deck.
Here is a montage of the three decks of the pumps area

One can nicely see the Layout: The single story pumps linked by the cistern, the double story pumps with a cistern each on the lower deck but not interconnected. But no technical details to be found.
The only place showing the details is Rob Napier�s book about the contemporary model of the HMS PRINCESS ROYAL 1773.
The linkage in between the two stories was in form of a well, all the lower deck cisterns have adapters for dales and the cranks of the single story pumps protrudes through the well of the two story pumps.
Why this arrangement almost never is shown? The curse of the museums ship?
So here we go adapting the pumps ...

... a touch of color, a tad of highlights and ink ...

...the clamps on the ships side for the dale�s round end pointing into the scupper, once open and once closed by a slider ...

... maneuvered onto its place ...

... and the pump ensemble shoved into its habitat too.

Interesting is the way the dales go ...

... being quite close to then guns.

That is why I do have the side entry port, for the nice view, and yes, I know, if the dale is fixed, the slider should have been taken off ...

And now we go on and have to fix some new cranks and drill some scuppers ...

... so the thrill goes on
Lieber Gru�, Daniel
To Victory and beyond ...
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hello Daniel
A work that is for me a reference,in "love" of details
congrats
Nicolas
A work that is for me a reference,in "love" of details
congrats
Nicolas
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Thank you Sirs
Very appreciated!
...hihihihihi...
... and who did realise it? On the plan of the chain pump one can see little circles on the place the elm-tree pumps ought to be. And not just two - on the lower and upper gun deck - as shown in most models of three deckers and as to be found on the Vic in P. No there are 3 of them, see the blue circles.

And as the plan has other minor omissions in other areas, I took the liberty to lead one of the pumps to the upper deck, see the green circle. now all decks have fresh sea water
So I prepared 3 pumps.

Almost like the Dalton-Brothers from Lucky luke, just that Emmett/Averell is out looking for food ...
... and as the Daltons�trademark are the holes from pistol shots everywhere, my one is holes on wrong places, as I used the metal handle for small drills. This one was too thick and about 2 mm out of place, so reclose the hole and with Dr. dafis patented kebab-skewer-drill I was able too reach the furthest godforsaken area of the ship

XXXDAn
...hihihihihi...
... and who did realise it? On the plan of the chain pump one can see little circles on the place the elm-tree pumps ought to be. And not just two - on the lower and upper gun deck - as shown in most models of three deckers and as to be found on the Vic in P. No there are 3 of them, see the blue circles.

And as the plan has other minor omissions in other areas, I took the liberty to lead one of the pumps to the upper deck, see the green circle. now all decks have fresh sea water
So I prepared 3 pumps.

Almost like the Dalton-Brothers from Lucky luke, just that Emmett/Averell is out looking for food ...
... and as the Daltons�trademark are the holes from pistol shots everywhere, my one is holes on wrong places, as I used the metal handle for small drills. This one was too thick and about 2 mm out of place, so reclose the hole and with Dr. dafis patented kebab-skewer-drill I was able too reach the furthest godforsaken area of the ship

XXXDAn
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I just can't get over the level of detail you have achieved with this model. Impressive does not even begin to describe it. Amazing work keep it up!
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HI Daniel
with your work,I quickly exhausted my (poor) English vocabulary
as always, details treated with "love" for work well done
it is nice to follow your "adventures
cheers
nicolas
with your work,I quickly exhausted my (poor) English vocabulary
cheers
nicolas
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Thank you I promise that I will try to go on strong 
I think that by now is a commonly known fact, that I am infamous for trying to understand technical interconnections. I realised long ago the two stanchions situated behind the pumps�area, being that solid, good english oak and plenty of that.
Once I fixed the first dale, I immediately understood the height of the guide, to keep the dale free. But as I did not see the sense of the vertical roller, I took the chance to omit it as I thought it to be just for reduction of friction ...
... and as did not want you to call me a rivet counter ...
... but!
... but by now, a learnt a little bit more about the messenger . yes, a little bit
On the tension side the messenger comes from the main hatch - where the anchor cable is stowed - and passes the pumps� area almost parallel to the ships axis, slowly raising to the above mentioned rollers on the stanchion, where it takes a turn down- and inwards towards the spill. Therefore the whole weight/force of the anchor pulling on the messenger is put onto this one stanchion. No wonder it is as thick as it is.
And for that the vertical roller is needed too, yes, the tiny one that little dafi wanted to embezzle ...
And another thing I realised ...

... of course the pump and cistern are ought to be kept free too. So the cable has to be set more outside. As the rework was to great to be done ambulantly inside, one already guesses the ritual coming ...

... with a friendly and nasty sound of a gentle crack, caused by the pleasant but nicely brutal push of a scalpel�s back the stanchions gave way for external treatment ...

... the missing wheel including its bearing was fixed, as was the missing clamp (even though I still ignore its purpose, but one can never have enough clamps on a sailing ship) ...

... and positive confirmation that the change of direction works fine
Thrown back into the hull, but still just stuck in and therefore not aligned properly ...

... one can see how tight it is ...

... and above I gave the position of the upper deck beam using a kebab skewer ...

... and on top of this one missing the quarter deck.
Deep down inside, the pump now is nicely kept clear ...

... also nicely to be seen from above.

Now the messenger can be unleashed
Cheerio, DAniel
I think that by now is a commonly known fact, that I am infamous for trying to understand technical interconnections. I realised long ago the two stanchions situated behind the pumps�area, being that solid, good english oak and plenty of that.
Once I fixed the first dale, I immediately understood the height of the guide, to keep the dale free. But as I did not see the sense of the vertical roller, I took the chance to omit it as I thought it to be just for reduction of friction ...
... and as did not want you to call me a rivet counter ...
... but!
... but by now, a learnt a little bit more about the messenger . yes, a little bit
On the tension side the messenger comes from the main hatch - where the anchor cable is stowed - and passes the pumps� area almost parallel to the ships axis, slowly raising to the above mentioned rollers on the stanchion, where it takes a turn down- and inwards towards the spill. Therefore the whole weight/force of the anchor pulling on the messenger is put onto this one stanchion. No wonder it is as thick as it is.
And for that the vertical roller is needed too, yes, the tiny one that little dafi wanted to embezzle ...
And another thing I realised ...

... of course the pump and cistern are ought to be kept free too. So the cable has to be set more outside. As the rework was to great to be done ambulantly inside, one already guesses the ritual coming ...

... with a friendly and nasty sound of a gentle crack, caused by the pleasant but nicely brutal push of a scalpel�s back the stanchions gave way for external treatment ...

... the missing wheel including its bearing was fixed, as was the missing clamp (even though I still ignore its purpose, but one can never have enough clamps on a sailing ship) ...

... and positive confirmation that the change of direction works fine
Thrown back into the hull, but still just stuck in and therefore not aligned properly ...

... one can see how tight it is ...

... and above I gave the position of the upper deck beam using a kebab skewer ...

... and on top of this one missing the quarter deck.
Deep down inside, the pump now is nicely kept clear ...

... also nicely to be seen from above.

Now the messenger can be unleashed
Cheerio, DAniel
To Victory and beyond ...
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Re: To HMS Victory and beyond
Is is just me or does this thread never get boring? 
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Merry Christmas to you all!!!
Lieber Gru�, Daniel
To Victory and beyond ...
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