Calling all Borodino (Бородино) class (Tsushima 1905) fans

[DariusP]

Happy New Year to you too Boqueron. Second funnel of Borodino:


Please keep in mind that while diameter of the Borodino's funnels is known exactly (13' 1 and 15/16") the height is calculated from the original drawings.

[Boqueron]

DariusP, thanks for your quick and thoughtful response.

[Atma]

DariusP thank you for the funnel, a bit late I know but again thanks a lot

[smoke]

Hi folks,

I�m building the suvorov and I have a question regarding the WEM PE set. I cannot figure out where parts # 73 and 82 go.
I�ve sent a mail to WEM, but received an unsatisfactory answer (ask in a forum). Does somebody know where these parts have to be mounted?
Thanks for your help.

Greetings from Germany

smoke

[DariusP]

Smoke, I don't have WEM's set but if you could try to describe those parts or, better still, post some photos I will try answer your query.

[smoke]

@ Darius

hope these pictures will help

Greetings

smoke

[DariusP]

As far as I know there were no double doors (part 73) on any of Borodino sisters. As for the single doors (part 82) you can certainly use them in cabins on the main and secondary bridges. There were also single doors in midships deckhouses but, since there are no detailed plans of Suvorov, I wouldn't even guess where they were located

[smoke]

@ Darius,

thanks for your help.

smoke

[AlainFR]

Hello everybody,

I have find by chance and bought this plan of the battleship Borodino in Poland :



Do you this plan and can you tell me about his accuracy?

Thanks in advance

Alain

[AlainFR]

This is a little part of this plan :



Well, what do you think about ?

[DariusP]

Unfortunately Garmachew's drawings of Borodino are pretty bad. General hull lines are taken from original official drawings and are just fine but plan view, side view and most of the details are useless...

If you are after more accurate depiction of Borodino, I would try to get this paper model: http://radikal.ru/F/i057.radikal.ru/100 ... 8.jpg.html (for more info check this thread starting with page 26) Pustotnik's model has a problem with the shape of platform on secondary bridge and locations of two rear 152mm gun turrets (again check page 27 of this thread for details) but, overall, it is much more accurate than Garmachew's drawings.

[AlainFR]

Good morning everybody,

Thanks Darius for your answer! Well, this plan is not .... the "panacea !!!

Can you tell me where we can find these original drawings? At France, we have the " Service Historique de la d�fense" where you can find original drawings of many ships :

http://www.servicehistorique.sga.defens ... tebato.php

I give you the link for some they don't know.

I don't know if exist a equivalent for russian ships?. I'm interesting for have accurate plans for a Borodino class ship. So somebody can help me ?!

Thanks in advance

Alain

[DariusP]

There is no Russian equivalent to Service Historique I am affraid but there are 2 incomplete sets of original drawings. One of "Borodino" herself and second is entitled "Battleships of Borodino class" but it's really just "Orel". None of them will provide you with everyting a ship modeler might wish to know but it's all that's available. If you will give me your email address I will send you those sets.

You might also want to look at some literature (all in Russian) which will give you further informations about "Borodino" class. A book by R.M. Melnikov "Battleships of Borodino type" and 2 monographs: "Squadron Battleships Borodino and Orel" from Stapiel series (7/2009) written by R.M. Melnikov and "Battleships of Borodino type" from Midel-szpangout series (19/2010) written by W.Ju.Gribovskij.

[Christian M.]

Hello,

after reading now the complete thread here with all 46 pages, also several other polls in other forums - simply because in near future (means in some months) I will start to build all Borodono's - I'm very sceptic about Zvezda kit and also, sorry to say about WEM Set too.
I know this WEM set, because I built Varyag, but reading and seeing that this set should be valid for Borodino makes me more as sceptic.

However, this thread here had most important informations for me in my pre-building and investigation status. Very intresting was for example that point with funnels. But I have a question about barrels of 12inch gun:
In a german forum I read that the one from Zvezda are (much?) too short and that even these from Master have not correct length. Has anyone here further informations about?`

Cheers,
Christian

[DariusP]

Unfortunately WEM based their PE set on model in St.Petersburg which was ment to represent generic "Borodino type" and is not representative of any of the ships in particular.

Now, 12inch gun barrels: at present I don't have access to my Zviezda's Borodino kit so I can't check barrels length. I also don't have any of brass barrels set so I can't check them either. The best that I can do is to post this drawing:
http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n96/ ... turret.jpg
It doesn't give you barrel lenght but it shows turret's height (9'0") and length of turret's long axis (31'8"). Knowing those measurements you should be able to work out measurements of the barrel itself

And (BTW) don't pay attention to the ladder at the back of the turret. On the actual ships those ladders were placed at the turret's front.

[Christian M.]

Thank you Darius, drawing helps very much to locate / rate correct length!

For the first I will build Sevastopol + Pontos Set and IJN Mikasa from Hasegawa with PE set and barrels (beside longtime build of USS Essex), but after them Borodinos will come...

[Christian M.]

Hello,

because still in pre-investigations about Borodinos before building, I become more and more scpetic about color of hull. As deeper as I go in theme, I get more and more strange informations telling both, Hull Red and Dark Green with named sources for both or even reasoned by this and that point. I even started to use this **** of google translator for reading Russian forums about...
Has anyone here any clear informations about hull color?

Cheers,
Christian

[DariusP]

Don't believe everythin you read on the internet Christian. While there might be some dispute if some foreign build ships did or didn't have green painted hull bottoms during their delivery trips, there is NO documented case of ships in Russian service having their bottoms painted green. And the opinion of vast majority of those with interest in Russian ships of the period (in Russia and in the West) is that Borodinos did have red hull bottoms.

[Christian M.]

Don't believe everythin you read on the internet Christian. While there might be some dispute if some foreign build ships did or didn't have green painted hull bottoms during their delivery trips, there is NO documented case of ships in Russian service having their bottoms painted green. And the opinion of vast majority of those with interest in Russian ships of the period (in Russia and in the West) is that Borodinos did have red hull bottoms.

Hi Darius,
indeed, there is much bull**** written in Internet. Even I'm at ships more a beginner, at tanks I have 20 years experience and what I read there sometimes ... well ... fairy tale is a harmless word for it.

However,
why I get doubts were some reports that particularly ships of the Baltic Fleet had often green hulls and here particuilarly when having above white peacetime paint. As you know, Borodinos were Baltic Fleet ... But good to hear that you say hull red color.
Thank you Darius

[DariusP]

1- please show me where from are you getting your info about Baltic Fleet ships having green bottoms.
2- Borodinos were never painted in peacetime Baltic Fleet scheme.