What-If modern day Scharnhorst

[navydavesof]

We realize that the main battery would have to be at least 11" and maybe even upgunned to 15". However, with the modern European and American guns that are available, what kind of secondary battery would you prefer? What guns should be used?

Should there be armor on the ship? If so, how much and why? If not, why the hell not?

With the German mission in mind, what kind of VLS tubes? Mk41 deep? Mk41 Self Defense? How many?

What kind of CIWS? Phalanx, Goalkeeper, Millennium Gun, RAM, SeaRAM? I don't think the Germans would use a Russian variant, but what about a Russian type?

How many helos should a ship like this carry? Cargo-type (1-2), ASW-type (2-4), amphibious assault-type (4-6)?

I am interested what people think about this one. It might make a good model someday!

[Diederick44]

hello mr.dave you are blooming with ideas about this one , quick question again from my side , where are the missile bay or bays situated now on the ship ? ? I think that this ship has so much potential to be a good all round ship , taking into account that she could handle the weight . The main thing is that i have been thinking is that you guys want a retro ship , but how modern can the super structures be made to give her a sleek but deadly look

[navydavesof]

Hi, Diederick44!

...where are the missile bay or bays situated now on the ship ? ?

I have them centerline between the bridge and Turret 2 and between the helo deck and Turret 3. The ship would be equiped with a pproximately 96 Mk41 VLS tubes.

I think that this ship has so much potential to be a good all round ship , taking into account that she could handle the weight .

I think it can. They were some beefy ships with Bismarck-like stability. I don't think the modifications would endanger its stability.

The main thing is that i have been thinking is that you guys want a retro ship , but how modern can the super structures be made to give her a sleek but deadly look

It's not a retro ship, it's a gun ship. Take a look earlier in the thread, and you will see a picture I drew up with shipbucket. It's practically a Scharnhorst hull with a Sachen's super structure.

[Diederick44]

i did check out the pic that was posted , the side view really does look good but how about a top view ? ? And how much do you estimate your ships current weight if it was built to life size ? ? . Stability does play a huge role in a mission since the weather these days isnt as calm and i think 96 missile tubes on a ship would surely get the U.N council to wear diapers for a long time : woo-hoo :

[navydavesof]

i did check out the pic that was posted , the side view really does look good but how about a top view ? ?

Sorry, man. No top view. You will just have to imagine

And how much do you estimate your ships current weight if it was built to life size ? ? Stability does play a huge role in a mission since the weather these days isnt as calm...

I don't think it would be over 40,500 tons fully loaded. A lot of weight would be traded. Especially considering the greater length, I still don't think the additional weight would affect the ship's stability much if at all.

and i think 96 missile tubes on a ship would surely get the U.N council to wear diapers for a long time : woo-hoo :

It depends on what is in the tubes, but what would the UN do? That's right...they would write an angry letter...and that's it.

This ship would not have Tomahawks. I don't imagine the Germans are interested in shooting over 1,000 miles into other countries like the US. They might make some sort of land attack cruise missile (KEPD-150?) or maybe a BrahMos for anti-ship work, but I imagine the ship would mostly embark SM-2s and maybe VLAs. Modern 11" or 15" guns firing long range guided munitions I imagine would be more of a concern to other nations, their coasts, and their shipping.

[Diederick44]

if i may make a suggestion , why dont the germans build a sewerage missile and launch it to the u.n , they always give the world a bad taste so why not return a favour : thumbs_up : well she sounds solid , looks solid and if you "by accident" wasted or dropped some of your jam or food on the plan and sip it up i guess the plan would taste solid . Now if this ship had a few escorts it would make a few nations panicky . But overall brilliant job mr.dave