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Depending on what the PE part for the creeper contains it might not require too much work.

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As you can see there is very little of the shaft visible and no real pod present. The shaft you might make either of filed 1mm styrene stanchion or just stretched sprue, but stretch slowly to get a decent diameter.
About the decals, there might be a bigger supply of Russian subs, but I'm not so sure of the demand is equally big. Not everybody wants to build the same sub either and in general there's a lot less sub builders than shipbuilders overall. I'm not surprised, but of course I do think it's a pitty...
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Some good images here in the last few days, and it is always good to hear about SOKS.
Thanks as usual!

Just my two cents:

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I tend to agree with what it has been said concerning the overall effort. The only thing I do not like is the way the limber holes are represented. From any picture it can be clearly seen that they are "almost" square, whereas HB made them highly recyangular which kind of throws the balance off. I have (over)drilled them in mine and I am fairly happy with the end result, though I still have to close up the hull halves.
And also, it is in styrene, how much is that worth? :smallsmile:
As for decals, I have a special one made for mine. Maybe when one day when I finish it, I will post the end result!

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Have you guys seen this latest release from MikroMir?

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Yep, Uniform class in 1/350

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I'm a new guy to modeling subs......what colors for the Russians do you typically use for the hull? Instructions suggest engine gray and hull red....

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what colors for the Russians do you typically use for the hull? Instructions suggest engine gray and hull red....
Many photos of "fresh" Soviet/Russian subs in drydock are black (actually a dark charcoal gray) halfway up and red halfway down the hull. See examples below.
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All depends what and in what time period you want to build. Everything "new" is all black/dark grey. Older subs/older time period depends. I've seen Delta IVs with black lower hull and red on the sonar caps, or like Tom posted above, dark red with lighter red on the sonar caps. Classes also differ a lot.
So if you are doing a certain ship at certain time period it's best to look for pics of, at least, the same class. It also depends how you are depicting the sub. If it's been in the water for a while it appears that they loose colour rather rapidly and then it goes towards greenish-grey.

Viper, interesting yet difficult to get any dry dock pic of that class. I think there's only one built, so there are very few chances of seeing her in dry dock, I guess due to the nature of the class, there is also a more strict security around it. "In the water" pics have become more available due to her half sister Sarov being launched a couple of years back. It brought the interest towards these classes and hence more pics have come out.
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Time for a good weekend post.

Here is the Sierra class. Haven't really sorted through it yet, looks like they are slightly mixed Sierra I and Sierra II (with SOKS again).

Here you can see the communication device on top. It's mounted inside the two doors on the back. Same device can be found on some Delta class as well as the Akula class (also behind the sail in a double door). Works like a paravane, goes up and stays just below the surface on a wire. As you can see it has a bent-down antenna which is raised to just above the surface to communicate while staying submerged.
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The doors for that device on the back.
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View of the forward part, note the two half-submerged drop shaped SOKS sensors, one on both sides just in front of the sail (only half of it is visible on the pics).
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Hatches on the conning tower:
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Sail hatches from different view point:
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Placement of escape pod, a similar pod is mounted in Alfa, Akula, Oscar etc.
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Note the "odd" shape of the shape on the bottom of the aft side of the sail.
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SOKS mounted on Sierra II, she has a notably more blunt sail shape.
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Unfortunately no prop on these pics.
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And her strange creeper arrangement. I'm still wondering why they did it like that and not like on the Akula with fully retractable pods. No real indication what was most efficient since there are no real follow-on classes to these subs yet. On Severodvinsk it is still unknown what her creeper arrangement is, I'd bet on retractable azipods (like Typhoon class).

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Hidden behind the canvas aft of these creepers are the scoops for the cooling water.
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Note this is a Sierra II, but SOKS is removed (you can see the footprint) from the sail.
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Fuller view of the bow:
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Sierra III was planned and reportedly under construction when USSR collapsed, she was supposed to have the Mars spherical bow array with midship torpedo tubes, much like the Severodvinsk today. There were several under construction, but none completed.

Are there any good models of Sierra's around already?

Viper,
I've checked Patricio's Victor again and indeed those ballast vents are slightly oversized in height. I guess it could be solved with some nice (non-existent I guess) PE hatches for those vents. Not sure if making them wider would make it more realistic? Perhaps overall they become too big then? Or are they slightly too narrow in the kit?

All of these pics were actually posted on Airbase.ru, but they're scattered all around. In order to find thing I'm looking for, occasionally I stumble upon some interesting ones. It's surprising with what easy one can find nice pics of all this equipment, while searching for anything Royal Navy, old and new appears to be much harder up till now. I guess one just has to be lucky and find a treasure!
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Neptune,

some seriously good images there! Some I did not have in my collection, so thanks!!

Yeah, I hear you on the Uniform class. I still think it is pretty cool that a styrene kit of a Russian sub is coming out, so I can't help to hype a bit! Also, having seen the effort on the Alfa, I would expect some good details from MikroMir (better than HB anyhow, in my opinion).

As for the Sierra, gotta love those boats! Titanium is what killed the class. The USSR simply could not keep up with the cost not only of the raw material, but basically of all the infrastructure necessary to work the metal and the tight requirements it poses.
You ask for a kit, well, I know none for Sierra II in 1/350 (that is my scale), but I have just been back to Flagman Models website, and it looks they are now back in production:

http://www.flagman-models.com/catalogue.php

if you scroll down to the middle of the page, you will see that they have a Sierra I in the works. True, the info has been on their website for ages now, but since they are themselves declaring that they are back in operations and they have revised the catalogue and the model is still there, it gives me reason to hope!

As for the HB Victor: in principle you are right, and indeed this is I think what has happened to me (i.e. I enlarged the base keeping the same height and ended up with too big a limber hole), but nevertheless it is the kit's biggest fault because OOB they look really odd (I do not have pics with me at the moment) and also the Victor III is one of the few classes that 99% of the time has 99% of the limber holes open in a picture, so you can consider it one of its "features"!
I had indeed thought about detailing/replicating the shutter doors with PE, but it would end up being a pain given the number of limber holes!

Keep those great pics coming...and fingers crossed for a Sierra II soon in stores near you!

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A company called "Polar Bear" does resin models of most Soviet/Russian subs in 1/350.

From their webpage: http://www.subs-n-ships.com/
"Polar Bear company located in Severodvinsk, Russia is proud to offer collectible models of Russian submarines built by Sevmash company during 1950-90s at Severodvinsk shipyard."

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Hey Neptun, were you the spy from The Hunt for the Red October who took the pictures of "some strange hatches" on a Typhoon sub? :cool_1:
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Hello gents,

Where one can find "decent" plans of the Romeo class submarines?? I've been looking online and there's practically nil about them...although I found some interesting plans on the Zulu class. Neither of my faithful supporting books provided me with plans either. Any ideas or references where to get them?
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I have Romeo drawings and cross sections. Unfortunately, the extremely limited posting size on this page does not allow me to post them. Email me & I will send them to you.
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And this weekend's special (a bit late I know). Some Typhoon class stuff. Not really terribly great for modellers, but interesting pics nonetheless. The construction phase of these ships. Also the only confirmation I've seen up till now of a forward mounted retractable thruster. The aft one I have still only found in drawings but never seen on any pictures. I'm also assuming they are mounted on both sides forward.
From the Samara pics posted before, it would seem that the later Akulas actually have the same type of thruster as the Typhoon class, where the first Akulas had something different (assumably less powerful).
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Aft section with three pressure hulls, the racks in between are probably for the escape chambers, although I'm not sure of that.
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Clearly visible start of the missile structure and also note the Torpedo Tube parts forward on each section.
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Quite complicated structure compared to any other sub.
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Hello All, Can anyone tell me what the fit issues are for the Hobbyboss Borei SSBN model kit?

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Hey guys,

Question about the Whiskey boats, particularly about they're early fits. Wiki (yeah I know...) states that there were 5 patrol variants, not including the missile and other conversions, that carried a variety of guns (25mm and 57mm twins). Does anyone have any drawings/photos of said guns and where they would be? I know what the subs looked like after they were streamlined but how did the sails/decks differ when the guns were aboard? I've been through this thread and Google but I'm finding nada.

I'm primarily interested in the Whiskey IIs but any and all help is appreciated as always.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whiskey_class

I did find these drawings of a gun armed Zulu. Would the Whiskey's have looked similar or different?
http://en.valka.cz/attachments/5029/Pro ... a_plne.jpg

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http://www.submarines.narod.ru/Subprojekt/5_613_0.html
some interesting drawing and foto (in russian) of prog 613 wiskey
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Pepe your a life saver, thank you very much!!!! So the Whiskeys and the Zulus had the same gun armament, at one time, just in reverse of each other; awesome! :woo_hoo:

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Might want to check these topics as well, although the Submarines.narod site is closely related to this.

http://forums.airbase.ru/2004/12/t30627 ... a-613.html

http://forums.airbase.ru/2008/08/t63180 ... 613-2.html
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Ok, a little later than I had planned, but here are some nice Easter pics. Happy Easter everyone.

This is a Sierra I dry. Note the colour of the prop, which would support the info that even the propellors of these ships were made of Titanium. Note also the 6-bladed type prop, a rather strange choice as even blades are avoided, certainly when the sub has an upper and lower rudder. The only other case would be the Kilo, but she doesn't have an upper rudder, so no blade-rate noise problem.
There was recent news that also Karp will be refurbished to be taken back in service.
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And here some pics of Kostroma, the other Sierra I, which was already upgraded back in 2011. Despite the news that the SOKS would be taken out of service, it seems that Kostroma was upgraded with it, perhaps Karp will receive the same upgrade. Note that once again there is a different lay-out and that there is apart from the fin type sensor on the sail, there is an additional fin mounted in front of the sail on the main deck. Of the few pics I saw of that particular sensor there is none in which I can see any sensors mounted in the forward fin. Perhaps just a test set-up to see what is more efficient.

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And a closer view. Note the strange "head light" type of thing in the centre. No idea what it serves for. Another note is of course the drop-shape sensors which are mounted sideways on the sail.
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