Calling all Soviet Kirov-class (Орлан) Project 1144 & Slava-class (Атлант) Project 1164 fans

[JohnMGD]

[quote="350z"]Marshal Ustinov
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Same for you 350z, where are all the pictures ??????

John.

[JohnMGD]

hi Sean,

practically impossible to upload all those things over here. In total it's about 20-25MB when zipped... The size is about 2000 or 3000 pixels wide, so that means I'd have to change the size of every page (and there's 48 of those...)

However, I can email them without much of a problem. So Todd, just get me your email adress (by PM is the safest way I guess). Then I'll send them to you and Sean.

Hi Neptune,

It seems I cannot contact anybody via the contact button, I am a registered user though, so I have to do it this way. I'm also interested in the drawings of Kirov and Slava class ships, please contact me.

John.

PS:

Sorry Neptune, found your PM address, PM you !!

[JohnMGD]

Hello,

Found this topic by surprise, a lot of information here, awesome !! Tried to go to the website :


http://forums.airbase.ru/2006/09/t66977 ... -1164.html

But on my computer it will not open, somebody else having this problem too ???

Greetings

John.

[Neptune]

Got your message John, will see what I can do. As for the airbase site, they had a serious redesign of the site, so perhaps the topic hasn't been transferred or was transferred to a different adress.

[vladimir yakubov]

Good livejournal post with photos taken on board Kirov couple of day ago, showing her current condition and some interesting detail shots:
http://u-96.livejournal.com/2883966.html

Vladimir

[bismarck builder]

hi
that is one hell of a photo album
gary

[Neptune]

Very interesting indeed. Her condition seems rather good considering the treatment they gave it. Rust doesn't seem to show too much, while most of the paint damage appears from either bad application in too wet conditions or freezing rather than underlying corrosion. The guns look in rather good condition as well.
Not sure about the Rif system, it looks like these hatches are welded shut, no? System removed?

[USN_Matt]

Hello all!

So after a 2 year hiatus from the site I am back! I will cut to the chase and say I absolutely love the way the Russian ships look; sleek hulls and manacing armnements!

As of now I have completed a dragon 1/700 Admiral Nakhimov and just started on the Trumpeteer 1/700 Marshal Ustinov. I have done extensive research on the Ustinov and if I am not mistaken, does it have the same deck color configuration as the Moskva? As in dark grey, nearly black main deck and the earthy red color upper decks. I have found only a few pictures of the the deck of the Ustinov and it was the orange like color all around. But that was when her hull number was 088, I am planning on doing this build with the hull number 055(her most recent refit). thought a saw a picture or two of her as recent as 2008-2010. Any help in this matter would be much appreciated!

[USN_Matt]

Ok so I just went ahead and started. Since I found photos of the Moskva and the Varyag both showing the 2 toned decks. I assume that they Marshal Ustinov would have it as well. Here is what I have so far (no the superstructer and deck are not glued to the hull as of yet) alongside my Admiral Nakhimov











I will note that I am by far no where as good as most people on this site, so I any critizism will be appreciated, just go easy on the novice

[Jeffcsr]

I hate to just jump in and sound stupid but what is


the deal with Russian ship deck colors? Is there a specific reason for the ships being one colored deck vs another?

Thanks for being patient

[Neptune]

Hi Jeff,
certainly we have to be patient, it has been explained quite a few times before. So perhaps a search would be appropriate. On the other side, we can't expect everybody to read everything, certainly not when your interest changed from one subject to another (which probably happens to all modellers once in a while).
However, to make it short.
There are on practically any ship, two coats of primer paint, which is a layer to protect against corrosion. Traditionally they are very prone to weathering/fading/losing colour as they are not quite UV resistant.
As a result intermediate and top layers are added.
So what you see on Russian ships is just that...
Green or red are the colours of the primer, two different tones to make clear which part you've given one coat and which parts you already applied the second coat to.
The final coat pretty much depends with what you've started, if no layer of top coat is added and you start with green, you're going to have a final red/orange primer colour on your deck. Unless of course you add a third layer. The different tones in green and red/orange are simply created by using different brands/batches of paint in addition to the UV fading.

In addition to that, on the main deck they initially kept the primer, but lately they started adding a top coat, this is the dark brown coat you sometimes see. By adding a certain grit/sand, you create an anti-skid colour. In the really old days they didn't use any anti skid paints, only the Kiev carrier decks and certain other vessels.
Grit should not be added to primers as by its sharpness and shape and people stepping on it, they damage the metal surface and therefore can even create more rust. If it's in the top coat, the grit is just pushed in the primer layers and doesn't protrude.

In addition to the changing pennant numbers they might have used it as a sort of recognition standard during different exercises as well. But that is something I'm not sure of. It certainly helps us to recognise the units if no name or number is visible.
Hope this is clear.

[Jeffcsr]

Hi Jeff,
certainly we have to be patient, it has been explained quite a few times before. So perhaps a search would be appropriate. On the other side, we can't expect everybody to read everything, certainly not when your interest changed from one subject to another (which probably happens to all modellers once in a while).
However, to make it short.
There are on practically any ship, two coats of primer paint, which is a layer to protect against corrosion. Traditionally they are very prone to weathering/fading/losing colour as they are not quite UV resistant.
As a result intermediate and top layers are added.
So what you see on Russian ships is just that...
Green or red are the colours of the primer, two different tones to make clear which part you've given one coat and which parts you already applied the second coat to.
The final coat pretty much depends with what you've started, if no layer of top coat is added and you start with green, you're going to have a final red/orange primer colour on your deck. Unless of course you add a third layer. The different tones in green and red/orange are simply created by using different brands/batches of paint in addition to the UV fading.

In addition to that, on the main deck they initially kept the primer, but lately they started adding a top coat, this is the dark brown coat you sometimes see. By adding a certain grit/sand, you create an anti-skid colour. In the really old days they didn't use any anti skid paints, only the Kiev carrier decks and certain other vessels.
Grit should not be added to primers as by its sharpness and shape and people stepping on it, they damage the metal surface and therefore can even create more rust. If it's in the top coat, the grit is just pushed in the primer layers and doesn't protrude.

In addition to the changing pennant numbers they might have used it as a sort of recognition standard during different exercises as well. But that is something I'm not sure of. It certainly helps us to recognise the units if no name or number is visible.
Hope this is clear.

Very Helpful! Thanks!

[Neptune]

Bridge structure of Peter the Great. Not sure how similar it is to the older units.


And blurry, but better than most of what we've seen before.


Note the "reinforcement" bar on the lower hull. Seems to be quite common on Russian ships, certainly on larger ships (Ural class, Nedelin class have it as well).

[Ticonderoga]

Whoa, Great photos Neptune, thanks

Love the VLS shot

Andrew

[newshipmodeler]

I'm trying to add the Top Steer radar to the Slava class ship. I'm using the 1/350 GMM P/E set. The mast platform is not long enough to allow the radar to clear the topmast, (about 3mm too short) even if I relocate the top mast as far aft as possible. These radars did rotate correct? Is it plausible to simply face them in another direction as if they are rotating instead of being parked at 000 degrees relative?

[Timmy C]

They did rotate indeed: http://navsource.narod.ru/photos/02/169/02169014.jpg

Not sure what you mean about the platform being too short, though, but make sure you have the radar tilted up by 30 degrees from the vertical.

[newshipmodeler]

thank you!

The feed horn on the rear section is so long that it doesn't clear the top mast ..even though I moved the topmast aft 4mm!! Isn't the rear part of the radar vertical ? Only the front face is tilted back 30* from vertical? The front section easily clears the top mast even in the standard location. If I rotate the radars away from 000 no one will be able to tell... I could also move the tower it mounts to forward a couple of mm and park them at 000*
Just wondered if anyone else has run into this problem.

[Timmy C]

Any way you can post a picture illustrating the problem? I have a difficult time picturing it in my head.

[Peter H]

Hi all

I have previously discussed some thoughts on an upcoming 1/350 Pyotr Velikiy that I hope to start in month or so and have come across a few new questions that I wanted to ask for assistance?

1) With Tomb Stone fitted as per instructions is there any point in fitting (forward or aft) the spare "Top Dome" (as a back up so to speak)?

2) I have seen and read the various discussions on deck colour, but I would like to ask for "below waterline" has another colour ever been used or trialled like Brown or Black? (I think a Slava class CG may have been Black below waterline at one stage)? Apologies in advance if I am wrong on this point.

Thanks for any assistance.

Peter H
Sydney, AU

[Neptune]

Hello Peter,

Not sure where you want to go with that spare Top Dome. From a practical point of view, if the Tombstone is out of use, that means part of the missiles will be out of use since the missile system is different (Rif with Top Dome and Rif-M with Tombstone). It would however be practical to have a spare Top Dome forward, since it would cover the arc normally covered by Tombstone.
So the only limit would be the amount of Rif missiles onboard which will then be split between the aft and forward Top Dome. The Rif-M missiles will just sit idle in their launchers.

I don't really see where you'd place it though.

Other colours than anti-fouling red have not been used on the Kirovs as far as I know. Same for the Slava I think, the black that you perhaps saw is probably a boot topping. Boot toppings, a black belt to about 1m (sometimes more) below the load/water line are irregularily used on different classes, not sure whether they were ever used on Kirov class. The red varies though, I've seen it rather orange, but also the normal darker shades.