Calling all Yamato (大和) and Musashi (武蔵) fans

[bucketfoot-al]

I asked this over on ther main forum, but as the single reply didn't really answer my question, which of the 1/700 Mushashi's comes in her final config with the 2 rocket launchers between the main mast and funnel if at all.

The 2005 1/700 Takara section Musashi does.

Here is one:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Takara-Micro-Wo ... 33806eed56

[Bill Clarke]

Having browsed through all the scans of the instructions on Hobby Search of the various Musashi kits, I don't think any of them do. Heck, I wasn't even aware that she had them.

Thanks for that Timmy, I also went through them without success.

I found no mention of them in her TROM over at Combinedfleet.com, this was listed for her last refit:
10 April 1944:
Enters Kure drydock No. 4. Repairs are made to the hull. Two beam triple 6.1-inch turrets are removed, each is replaced by three triple-mount 25-mm. AA guns. Twenty-one other triple-mount 25-mm. guns and 25 single 25-mm. guns are added. MUSASHI's 150-cm searchlights Nos. 7 and 8 are removed to make room for the single mounts. The searchlights are later reinstalled for use by Sasebo's AA batteries. MUSASHI's final AA suite is one hundred-thirty 25-mm AA guns (35x3, 25x1). A Type 13 radar and a new Type 22 radar-directed fire-control sets are fitted. Depth-charge rails are also installed on the fantail.

[Oterlia]

In the Takara kit there is 37 trippel 25mm mounts (0 singles) and 2 rocket launchers.

But I see on later modified models there is 35 trippel 25mm (0 singles) and 2 rocket launchers.

[imlaam]

Hi guys this is my newly built 1/700 Yamato. The theme is Operation Sho-Go in 1944. I used the Tamiya kit. Enjoy~

[Marco_Trigo]

More, we need more! It looks outstanding, I just love the paintjob with all the tone variations.

[Timmy C]

More indeed, but please post your photos in the Picture Post -> Completed Models section, thank you!

[Bill Clarke]

Agree with Marco,and Timmy awesome build of her.

[prowannab]

Back to the house that built Yamato, I see a lot of similarities between the 2 pics. I believe that both of these pics are the same drydock. What do you think?

[prowannab]

On another note, about the demise of this beautiful ship. I now feel after doing tons of research for my build. I noticed that the ship tore apart between # 1 and #2 main turrets, So I get that,one or both of those powder magazines detonated. The thing that puzzles me is that in the wreck dio (directly made from the man that surveyed the ship and it's damage) the major whole in the side of the ship is nowhere's close to the #3 turret the damage is far forward of the aft main gun powder magazine, but what it is very close to it is the boilers and the engine room. I now feel that the aft damage came from either or both the boilers and engines exploding from the much colder seawater rushing in as she capsized. To me this would also explain why the most starboard prop and shaft fell free from her as she sank. I could be wrong ,but I think this is something to think about.

[redoctober27]

Hello guys what is a good flag set for the 1/700 scale Yamato class battleships? Or any ships for that matter ? Japanese flags of course !

[Bill Clarke]

On another note, about the demise of this beautiful ship. I now feel after doing tons of research for my build. I noticed that the ship tore apart between # 1 and #2 main turrets, So I get that,one or both of those powder magazines detonated. The thing that puzzles me is that in the wreck dio (directly made from the man that surveyed the ship and it's damage) the major whole in the side of the ship is nowhere's close to the #3 turret the damage is far forward of the aft main gun powder magazine, but what it is very close to it is the boilers and the engine room. I now feel that the aft damage came from either or both the boilers and engines exploding from the much colder seawater rushing in as she capsized. To me this would also explain why the most starboard prop and shaft fell free from her as she sank. I could be wrong ,but I think this is something to think about.

That hole is from the 6 inch powder magazine going off.

[prowannab]

Still, The damage is forward of that and directly under the stack and completely inline with the boilers. I know I may be wrong , but boiler explosions from cold water have been known to take down great ships and have a serious almost catastrophic explosion.

[prowannab]

Redoctober,I haven't a clue, but I do have a set of decal flags from a 700 fujimi kit that I got from Sirpaul (thanks) I could mail them off to you if you want them.

[bucketfoot-al]

Unless there were two identical docks, both with a warehouse in the identical position relative to the dock (seen on the left of the photo), it looks like the same dock for certain.

[bucketfoot-al]

On another note, about the demise of this beautiful ship. I now feel after doing tons of research for my build. I noticed that the ship tore apart between # 1 and #2 main turrets, So I get that,one or both of those powder magazines detonated. The thing that puzzles me is that in the wreck dio (directly made from the man that surveyed the ship and it's damage) the major whole in the side of the ship is nowhere's close to the #3 turret the damage is far forward of the aft main gun powder magazine, but what it is very close to it is the boilers and the engine room. I now feel that the aft damage came from either or both the boilers and engines exploding from the much colder seawater rushing in as she capsized. To me this would also explain why the most starboard prop and shaft fell free from her as she sank. I could be wrong ,but I think this is something to think about.

The huge hole near the rear fire control director (huge gash in the bottom, radiating upward and tearing open the side of the ship) is almost CERTAINLY the result of the torpedo run by the late arriving Yorktown flight that launched 4 torpedoes in tight formation at the exposed starboard underbelly of the ship.

I discuss this in detail on my website. If you go there now, the current gif that I have running shows that final, and fatal blow to the ship. Remember that the underbelly was not armored, so instead of 4 closely spaced holes in the hull of the kind that we see elsewhere along the armor belt, you would expect exactly the kind of devastation that you see there. The ship capsized and exploded about 5 minutes after this blow, which Yoshida describes as "mysterious" and having "the explosive power of several airborne torpedoes". He also notes that this explosion threw everyone on the bridge to the floor.

Back to the powder magazines - #1 magazine exploded, followed about 5 seconds later by the detonation of the rear secondary magazine - which may have blown the hole inflicted by Yorktown flight's torpedoes even larger.

Hope this answers your question. BTW, Yamato was hit by TWENTY (20) torpedoes that we can document based on the damage to the hull. If I can get permission to post the schematics of the torpedo hits worked out by Bob Lundgren I will do so.

Cheers!

[prowannab]

Bucketfoot, I would love to see those schematics here on the forum.But what I brought up as far as boiler explosions isn't even a possibility to you? I do understand that the belly of this beast was a soft spot, but I know I'm being a bit assining ,but I would really like to explore the possibility of boiler explosions. I know that in the end it may be completely cleared as possible , but I would at least like to debate this.

[bucketfoot-al]

I have nothing against such a discussion. I don't feel I am qualified to discuss boiler explosions, but I will note that such a possibility was not mentioned in a single account of Yamato's final mission that I have read, or that I am aware of. Just FYI.

As far the gaping hole in the starboard side bottom being caused by Yorktown flight's 4-torpedo attack, I don't think there is any doubt about that - the only question is whether the subsequent magazine explosion widened it or not (probably did). The configuration of the hole is consistent with the 4 torpedoes hitting about 20 feet below sea level (the ship was listing heavily to port), hitting the exposed underbelly leaving a huge hole, and the force of the blasts blowing away the side of the ship above the point of impact, which is consistent with the way the hull pieces are bent upwards at that section.

[Senkan]

Wasn't the starboard boiler room flooded? That large hole on the starboard side couldn't have been from torpedoes.

[bucketfoot-al]

Wasn't the starboard boiler room flooded? That large hole on the starboard side couldn't have been from torpedoes.

The hole may have been enlarged by the detonation of the 6" aft magazine, but it most certainly WAS made by Lt. Stetson's torpedoes. There are only 3 other torpedo holes on the starboard side, and those are all single hits just below the waterline, documented and spread out far from the area of the gouge. One is on the extreme stern, one on the bow, and one about 1/3 of the way back.

Stetson's flight's 4 torpedoes hit the ship's exposed underbelly below the armor belt because she was listing heavily to port.

Go to my website and take a look at the gif from the Futabayasha video. It illustrates what I have tried to explain here. The damage is in exactly the right place and is exactly what you would expect - the bottom is blown away and the side of the ship is exploded outward from below.

BTW, Bob Lundgren is in agreement with me that 4 torpedoes detonating almost simultaneously would cause such catastrophic damage to the bottom.

[Senkan]

If torpedoes did that damage it was just to the lower part of the hull. It wouldn't have torn a hole from deck to keel and 50 feet in. If the deck is part of that hole it wasn't from torpedoes.