To HMS Victory and beyond

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Sometimes, yes sometimes I hat me for what I am doing to myself ...

... example needed?

The worm hook to extract cartridge remains ...

... already I glued a nice long spiral onto a stick and just then looked into the literature ...

... bloody mental cinema ...

... it is not one long spiral but two short opposite spirals, which makes sense for the purpose.

First soldering trial with the 0,3 mm copper wires went bad until I remembered that there is a protection around :-(

Once removed, results became better, but still quite breakable, but then realised, the spiraling method does not work ...

... okokokokokoko ...

... back to start, rethink and resolder ...

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... but how to do the double helix?

Took a fitting drill with the right lead ...

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... and carefully embedded the wire into the grooves.

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The lead still being too high, respaned the opposite way against a 1 mm mandral, and carefully readjusted the lead.

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And here we are, it finally worked ...

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... even fits for the bore :-)

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That is why I sometimes hate myself, took me days to work this out until it fitted ...

... so I got really time enough to hate myself ...

... deeply contrited ...

...yours dafi
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Absolutely SUPERB craftmanship! :thumbs_up_1:
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Dan!

always a research and implementation of small detail :thumbs_up_1: this is the very essence of what gives the masterpiece :woo_hoo:
I like your work philosophy :thumbs_up_1:
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What to do if one wants to play? One remembers old kids games :-)

So take a paper strip of exactemente 4,5 mm width ...

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... folded once ...

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... take a template to properly get the corner bent ...

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... the second to come ...

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... fold the lower part into the opposite way, shorten it and again bent around the corner ...

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... prepared the other side ...

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... flattened ...

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... opened and spread the opposite way ...

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... already recognise it ???

Opened once more and ...

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... and ready to be hatted :-)

Still have to send Lt. Williams to the hairdressers for that the chapeau sits to its designed location ...

...hihihihihihihihihi...

... sincerely yours, the dafi
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...........man, i'm seriously starting to doubt of your mental sanity.

:big_grin: :big_grin: :big_grin: :big_grin: :big_grin:
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... just now ?!?

My wife does since ages :-)

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That's it....... Daniel is lost ,I think that to the late evening ,of men in white will come to take you, and give you in a lovely room......
seriously ,you are "equipped" with a dexterity outside the norm
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Well its nice to see someone else thats very dedicated to his subject, I am here to learn and this so far has been a very good learning curve.

Keep it coming Daniel, glad your wife thinks its worth all the effort, mine is just as excited with my builds. :whistle:
'Well I tell myself that lol', but she puts up with it :shipcaptain: .

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Hello Mister Dafi, :wave_1:
Until now, I had never dared to write a message on your comment; your work is too impressive and extends over an enormous duration! Several years, what asks for an enormous investment and for an impeccable documentation?
Can one ask you for your sources?
In any case, bravo for your work of precision, all this is incredible and marvelous!
Comme nous disons parfois en France !
Amiti�s, :smallsmile:
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Merci Nicolas, Capt-P et Jean!

Jean, I work with plenty of sources, more and more with the remarks and reports of the contemporary sources as to be found in NMM (National Marine Museum)

The classical base is:

"The 100-Gun Ship Victory (Anatomy of the Ship Series) " fom McKay
http://www.amazon.com/100-Gun-Ship-Vict ... 229&sr=1-1

"HMS Victory: her construction, career and restauration" from McGowan with drawings from McKay
http://www.amazon.com/HMS-Victory-Alan- ... 109&sr=8-1

"The Anatomy of Nelson's Ships" from Longridge
http://www.amazon.com/Anatomy-Nelsons-S ... 365&sr=1-1

"Rigging Period Ship Models: A Step-by-Step Guide to the Intricacies of the Square-Rig" from Petersson
http://www.amazon.com/Rigging-Period-Mo ... pd_sim_b_7

"Owners�Workshop Manual" from Goodwin
http://www.amazon.co.uk/HMS-Victory-Man ... =8-1-fkmr1

"The Construction and Fitting of the English Man of War: 1650-1850" from Goodwin
http://www.amazon.com/Construction-Fitt ... pd_sim_b_4

"Arming and Fitting of English Ships of War, 1600-1815" from Lavery
http://www.amazon.com/Arming-Fitting-En ... pd_sim_b_5

"Nelson�s Navy" from Lavery
http://www.amazon.de/Nelsons-Navy-Ships ... avy+lavery

"Bemastung und Takelung von Schiffen des 18. Jahrhunderts" Marquardt
http://www.amazon.de/Bemastung-Takelung ... +Marquardt

"Rundh�lzer, Tauwerk & Segel" Schrage
http://www.amazon.de/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?_ ... e+Rundholz

"Masting and Rigging English Ships of War " Lee
http://www.amazon.de/Masting-Rigging-En ... ee+rigging

"The Elements and Practice of Rigging And Seamanship" Steel
http://hnsa.org/doc/steel/index.htm

"Dictionary of the Marine" Falconer
http://southseas.nla.gov.au/refs/falc/title.html

... and plenty of other sources :-)

Salut, Daniel
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Herewego, Dr. dafistein coming straight from his lab ...

... breaking little bones of little people ...

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... and reassembled, on the right, the poor lad before being transformed ...

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... in his new life as gun captain, holding a leather bag against the vent to air seal it, for that no smoldering ashes is pushed upwards, while the barrel is sponged.

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Thank you Dafi,
Your work is a delightful, again and again !
Hope you always work on it!
Friendly,
Jean
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Merci Jean!


... a bit of paint applied ...

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.... and the crew is complete :-)

The lieutenant, the gun captain, loader 2 with the bullet, sponger 2 with the wad pads, powdermonkee, the marine (at ease, the crossbelts off and the button opened). Sponger and loader are already at their place, waiting for the rest of the gang, the second gun captain and the 7 auxiliaries to pull the strings ...

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Let the show go on :-)

The full crew was up to 14 men for both guns on each side of the ship. Strictly numbered, 1 gun captain, 2 second gun captain, 3 loader, 4 sponger, 5 sec. loader, 6 sec. sponger and 7 - 14 auxiliaries to pull the strings.

First picture for clarity without the auxs. One can see nicely, loader and sponger within the breeching ropes, sec. sponger and sec. outside bringing the next items as wad pads or balls. The gun captain is pressing a small leather bag against the vent, for that it is air sealed, for that no smoldering ashes are pressed by air pressure into the vent and that for by retrieving the sponge a vacuum is created that will put off all smoldering bits.

The second gun captain is here shown organising the tools like worm and the bars, his time will came, if he has to take halve of the crew to work the opposite gun if battle on both sides is required.

As one lieutenant was always taking charge of several big guns, Lt. Williams of course is present here at this excercising the great guns.

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And it gets really packed, once the auxiliaries are added to pull the strings

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Also nice to be seen is that sec. loader and sec. sponger have to stand outside the side tackles. Also see the stick of the sponge protruding largely outboard.

On the capstan one can see the powder monkee, having prepared already the next cartridge. He is supposed to stay as far as possible for security reasons and to only handle the cartridge to the loaders and to nobody else. Also this was not a job for jung boys as generally thought, in fact Captain Duff of the Mars strictly forbid this as his log states. For the boys was to clean loose powder with a wet swab.

I like the two marines that were stationed on each big gun, gives a nice touch of color :-)

And also if I was a sponger and loader, I really would look out for that the man on the back tackle had a good lunch and that he makes sure, that there are no 3.5 tons coming towards oneself if a big wave is moving the ship ...

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... or a bit more inside the mel�e :-)

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WOW! Really that is all I can think of to say. Absolutely beautiful. Gives a real sense of the chaos below decks on these guns.
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Mouvement and life are fantastic! :woo_hoo:
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dafi wrote: Image

... in his new life as gun captain, holding a leather bag against the vent to air seal it, for that no smoldering ashes is pushed upwards, while the barrel is sponged.

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Sometimes, if one knows what to look for, one can identify the bits easily. I first discovered the leather protection to seal the vent in the literature, but when closely looking at several live fire films, one can detect it even in use, here is one example of that :-)

Canon LIVE FIRE test - 18th century canister shot
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMILWzE9f0k

Nice to see the loading, at 0:37 the leather protection on the finger, picking the cartridge through the vent, putting the powder onto the vent, the slow process of ignition down to the charge and a relatively minor recoil. Also nice to be seen the slow motion of the remains of cartridge and wad flying out, always a hazard to the wooden ships.
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XXXDAn
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HI Dan

always in search of perfection :thumbs_up_1: the objective is near :woo_hoo:
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Merci beaucoup sgtryan13, Jean et Nicolas!�

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Dan
a little question ,you'll put the whole crew on board?
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