Calling all Iowa-class (BB-61) fans

[Fliger747]

Randy:

Notice that your stanchion has a base such that the lifelines can be laid flat in the waterway. I know the ones in the turret 1&2 area (including the ones on the 01 level) are so equipped. Without some research I couldn't say if this was the case with all of them. Some may also have a fitting on the top to allow attachment of an extension pole for rigging awnings. Besides the area around chocks, there are chain openings for accommodation ladders, lead soundings etc. Currently far fwd Missouri has pipe rail, which may not be original to the design.

Cliffy (Mike) could shed some light on at least the current details. Might be a bit much to have him run fore to aft with a tape measure...

Best wishes: Tom

[RandyM]

Tom: excellent information - thank you. I understand what you mean re: various auxiliary fittings... some of the photos I have show these items. I'm struggling with this because as mentioned the inter-stanchion railing is not consistent, and so does not lend itself to a pattern repetition in SW: which means I have to place and anchor each stanchion (at least along one side) individually.

It's amazing, however, how much better the model looks with just the maindeck stanchions added.

[chuck]

I received the trumpeter 200 scale missouri today. I compared the hull against the drawings in Sumrall, and found more bad things.

First, the good things:

The length of the hull is 135.2 cm, which means the hull is within 6 scale inches of the correct length. and the length of the real ship probably vary by a good portion of that just from thermal expansion in different weather.

The depth, width and weather deck profiles were also pretty close. Within 6 scale inches, or within 1mm in plastic.

Now the bad things:

First the thing everyone knows and Randy fixed with a 3D printed stern: The stern is pretty far off in cross section. Basically the sides of the real ship starts to pinch in at waterline starting at approximately the aft end of the bilge keel. By halfway along the length of the skeg the sides of the hull should already have a 12 degree reverse tumblehome above waterline. But trumpeter kept the hull sides vertical above waterline until about half way along the length of the bilge keel.

Now another bad thing, the cross section of the bow is pretty far off too. Where the bow section joins the main hull in trumpeter, the hull should have Sizeable flare towarddeck level , then pinch in very noticeable towards the waterline, and then flare out again underwater to fare into a wide part behind the bulbous forefoot. Trumpeter captured the width at deck level, and widest part under water, but then simply filled in the pinch in at waterline, and made sides of the hull rises vertically from the widest part below water straight up into the flare to main deck.

The net effect is trumpeter gave Missouri a substantially less fine bow entrance at waterline, as well as a substantially less fine stern entrance at waterline, while capturing the correct overall dimension of the hull, and the corrects shape of the main deck. A real ship with the lines trumpeter gave Missouri would probably be a good deal slower than the actual Iowa class.

[Fliger747]

Randy

Looking at my photos it appears all the H column stanchions do have the hinge at the base. Current photos show an area abeam the fwd stack with pipe stanchions. For unknown reasons I didn't take a lot of main deck rail photos. Additionally the child proof netting largely hides the details at any distance.

T

[Cliffy B]

Alright well you're in luck. We are currently having Wisky's main deck scuppers and all associated deck edge equipment and fixtures completely restored. Needle gunned back to bare metal, primed and painted!!! They just started on the starboard side but the entire port side is done AND the nets are still DOWN! I'll walk down the port side taking photos of the stanchions tomorrow or Sunday. I'm not taking a tape measure again.....just no... I'll take enough so that you can figure out how many of each type there are and where they are in relation to fixtures and the rest of the ship. Should give you a good idea.

[RandyM]

Cliff... that would be awesome. Screw the tape measure! (well, you know what I mean).

[Fliger747]

Ah what Cliffy needs is one of those handy laser distance measures and a pretty blond gal to take notes.

[RandyM]

Here's a fast rendering (hence the coarse "texturing" of surfaces) of the maindeck rails from approximately frames 35 to 75.

Does anyone know the height of the "lip" at the sheer?

http://www.nulspace.com/hobbies/missouri/112914b.JPG

[Fliger747]

Very nice. I hadn't considered in the good old days that the main deck lifelines were interrupted by gun tubs.

Today there are two mushroom vents port side abaft turret two. Your mileage may vary.

Cheers. Tom

[olive40]

Hi all
I realize now the battleship USS Iowa for Trumpeter 1/200 kit and I would like to represent him in the period 1945 with measure 22 camouflage as shown in the photos accompanied by the USS Missouri for the signing of the capitulation of the Japan.

My problem is that in the USS Iowa kit, there is not good aircraft. So I'm looking for the kit of the Curtiss SC-1 "Seahawk" 1/200 found in the scale model of the battleship USS Missouri Trumpeter. Therefore to upgrade my USS Iowa in the period 1945.

I am willing to exchange, or buy...
Thank you for your help.
Olive

[RandyM]

Olive: if I understand you correctly, you have the Trumpeter Iowa kit but would like to represent the ship in end-of-war configuration... so you need the a/c as included in the Missouri kit. I'm sorry, I don't know of any aftermarket kits, but I suspect if you contact Stevens International - or your distributor if outside the US - they might sell you the sprues for the aircraft.

Tom: Here's the reverse angle... I've added the outer supports to the 20mm shield, along with the mounts and ready service lockers.

http://www.nulspace.com/hobbies/missouri/112914d.JPG

[olive40]

Thank you Randy for your help.

This is exactly my problem. How can I contact Stevens International, please?

Olive

[olive40]

Randy,
I found for Stevens International

I informed of the suite.
Wonderful work your model...
Thanks again.
Olive

[Fliger747]

I believe Olive is asking for a source for a 1:200 Seahawk as that is the correct aircraft for this period and it is either not included in the kit or the wrong aircraft (Kingfisher).

That I am not aware of one does not, mean one does not exist.

Tom

[James M]

Randy, the forward stanchions are round posts to about the roller chock.
After that they look like your design.


Here is a picture of the bracket that keeps them vertical.
There is a pin though the bracket that allows them to be folded down


James

[James M]

Olive wrote:
�I realize now the battleship USS Iowa for Trumpeter 1/200 kit and I would like to represent him in the period 1945 with measure 22 camouflage as shown in the photos accompanied by the USS Missouri for the signing of the capitulation of the Japan.�

Does the Trumpeter kit have the open bridge or the enclosed greenhouse bridge?

James

[chuck]

Olive wrote:
�I realize now the battleship USS Iowa for Trumpeter 1/200 kit and I would like to represent him in the period 1945 with measure 22 camouflage as shown in the photos accompanied by the USS Missouri for the signing of the capitulation of the Japan.�

Does the Trumpeter kit have the open bridge or the enclosed greenhouse bridge?

James

Trumpeter iowa kit has open catwalk around conning tower, Missouri kit has enclosed square bridge.

[olive40]

Hello Tom,
Yes in Iowa Trumpeter 1/200 kit I have the Kingfisher, but need me the Seahawk for the 1945 period.

The Seahawk are present in the kit of Missouri Trumpeter 1/200.
I from buy the kit of Missouri.
Bad choice on my part...

If I cannot find a Seahawk, that I chance my decoration of IOWA, but I would keep the mesure 22 camouflage scheme.

Olive

[olive40]

Hi all,
I just noticed from your discussion.

Iowa in 1943 had the bridge open command and following its major revision of January 1945, he took the bridge square command closed as Missouri, if I'm not wrong, as shown in the photos.

Iowa in November1943


USS Iowa after major revision in March 1945


So, for my Iowa 1945 configuration, I am so stuck and it will take me longer than the Seahawk...

If I can have parts of the Missouri by international Stevens, I would be saved. Otherwise, I would have to make another configuration.

Thank you very much for your advice and explanations.

Olive

[James M]

Hey Olive.
It sounds like you want to build the Iowa with the Measure 22 paint scheme.
The Iowa carried the Measure 22 paint scheme from her commissioning until she was in the pacific.
She would also have the open bridge and would be carrying Kingfisher's.

Here is a photo timeline of her during WWII:

Iowa
Original open bridge / New York / February 1943
Commissioned in Measure 22 and kept that scheme until she got to the Pacific in Dec 1943




Modified open bridge / Boston / November 1943
Paint: Measure 22 / Graded System




Modified open bridge / Funfuniti atoll / January 1944
Paint: Measure 32



Squared off Enclosed greenhouse bridge / Hunters Point / January 1945
Paint: Measure 22 / Graded System



Squared off Enclosed greenhouse bridge / Tokyo Bay / August 1945
She made it back to the war zone in time to be at the surrender in Tokyo Bay
Paint: Measure 22 / Graded System




James