Tsarist Navy GANGUT 1888
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Re: Tsarist Navy GANGUT 1888
Jim, I missed this thread somehow - but now I read it through with great delight.
Another masterpiece is in the making.
I love the way you tackle problems arising - always very instructive.
Another masterpiece is in the making.
I love the way you tackle problems arising - always very instructive.
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Santi Caro
Re: Tsarist Navy GANGUT 1888
Outstanding work, Jim.
Your attention to detail is impresive.
Regards,
Santi
Your attention to detail is impresive.
Regards,
Santi
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Re: Tsarist Navy GANGUT 1888
That is awesome!
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Re: Tsarist Navy GANGUT 1888
thank you all for your support an nice comments!
Progress is now afoot...
I added the crew
and completed the upper helm station with Binnacle, wheel and voice-pipes
and continued on with the seemingly endless amount of ships boats and all their differing shapoe and design davits ...
and fabricated and made the 6 x anchors ( North Star PE, thinned and refined resin and bits of scratch)
adding some of the boat booms and torpedo net spars ( still unpainted as yet in the photos )
next project will be to add retrospectively all the boat cradle supports and make the main anchors
The end is almost in sight.... another 2-3 weks should see her completed.
see you shortly with more progress
JIM B
Progress is now afoot...
I added the crew
and completed the upper helm station with Binnacle, wheel and voice-pipes
and continued on with the seemingly endless amount of ships boats and all their differing shapoe and design davits ...
and fabricated and made the 6 x anchors ( North Star PE, thinned and refined resin and bits of scratch)
adding some of the boat booms and torpedo net spars ( still unpainted as yet in the photos )
next project will be to add retrospectively all the boat cradle supports and make the main anchors
The end is almost in sight.... another 2-3 weks should see her completed.
see you shortly with more progress
JIM B
....I buy them at three times the speed I build 'em.... will I live long enough to empty my stash...?
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Re: Tsarist Navy GANGUT 1888
Great stuff, Jim. Love all the little details.
Martin
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Re: Tsarist Navy GANGUT 1888
Thank you Martin...!
At long last my model ship is starting look as " busy " as the real ship does in the photos...
not entirely surprising as there are innumerable spars and "sticky-outy-bits" everywhere!!
all of which have to be fabricated-- the positions worked out from the sparse available photos ...
( The plans are ok---but as they alas basic) most of the bits I am adding are simply not shown on available( redrawn) plans
I have been adding hatches, port holes, anchor handling gear
and the two way boarding companionways ( Still need the platform supports adding)
( I cobbled together for both sides of the ship these surprisingly involved stairs pieces from WEM stairs with individual treads )
The main thing was to keep it looking light and clunky--to that end I cut separate handrails and did not use the usually chunky companionway side sections often seen on frets ( way overscale!! )
On the real ship--as can be seen - these boarding companionways are really quite lightweight and flimsy compared to some
there is not a single facet of the ship that is not festooned with spars!
boat cradles, all guns large and small, masts and spars, seacape and a bit of rigging (!! ) to do.... and voila--finishes
( famous last words! )
JB
At long last my model ship is starting look as " busy " as the real ship does in the photos...
not entirely surprising as there are innumerable spars and "sticky-outy-bits" everywhere!!
all of which have to be fabricated-- the positions worked out from the sparse available photos ...
( The plans are ok---but as they alas basic) most of the bits I am adding are simply not shown on available( redrawn) plans
I have been adding hatches, port holes, anchor handling gear
and the two way boarding companionways ( Still need the platform supports adding)
( I cobbled together for both sides of the ship these surprisingly involved stairs pieces from WEM stairs with individual treads )
The main thing was to keep it looking light and clunky--to that end I cut separate handrails and did not use the usually chunky companionway side sections often seen on frets ( way overscale!! )
On the real ship--as can be seen - these boarding companionways are really quite lightweight and flimsy compared to some
there is not a single facet of the ship that is not festooned with spars!
boat cradles, all guns large and small, masts and spars, seacape and a bit of rigging (!! ) to do.... and voila--finishes
( famous last words! )
....I buy them at three times the speed I build 'em.... will I live long enough to empty my stash...?
http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... index.html
IPMS UK SIG (special interest group) www.finewaterline.com
http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... index.html
IPMS UK SIG (special interest group) www.finewaterline.com
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Re: Tsarist Navy GANGUT 1888
Indeed these late 19th century ships had all sorts of flimsy details and bits sticking out from somewhere. At this scale they would drive me mad and for every two installed, I would break one � I envy you for your patience � 
Eberhard
Former chairman Arbeitskreis historischer Schiffbau e.V. (German Association for Shipbuilding History)
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Re: Tsarist Navy GANGUT 1888
Hello Jim,
All those thin small bits add enourmously to the look of finesse of the model, quickly making it look much larger than it actually is.
A true masterpiece again!
Cheers,
Marijn
All those thin small bits add enourmously to the look of finesse of the model, quickly making it look much larger than it actually is.
A true masterpiece again!
Cheers,
Marijn
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Re: Tsarist Navy GANGUT 1888
Hello Jim
always impressive to see a masterpiece be born
supeb of fineness
cheers
Nicolas
always impressive to see a masterpiece be born
cheers
Nicolas
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Re: Tsarist Navy GANGUT 1888
Great work! Strange water though 
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Re: Tsarist Navy GANGUT 1888
Thank you !-
the minutia is taking its time...
The 2 large stocked anchors--reminiscent of old large sailing ships-of-the-line...
Among many omissions and inaccuracies in the kit, the resin anchors were commendably good - fragile- and very nice--
apart from being about 25% overscale!!
Making my own replacements took its time...
Made of wire- with styrene timber stock with paper flukes
very fiddly and a number of failures all over the floor... (!!!! )
despite the over-scale chain ( which is already very small!
) the result
does kind of look the part
I also made new fair-leads-- after cutting away the oversize resin versions
by using some coarse old PE ladder, cutting away the rung and bending the sides in ...
The fwd davits were controlled via (wire?) ropes via pulleys on the main mast as well as a dedicated 'pulley mast '
the pulley sheaves appear in photos to have been mounted in a sheave cage
I made these using pieces of 1/350 stud-link chain( WEM Koenig) , squeezing them up and installing a brass circle disc (PE aircraft wheel )
sounds easy-- alas ... the mountain of failures littering the bench was quite impressive( in a miniature way! )
the results are quite satisfactory--
though they rather put my figure modelling skills to shame-- must spend ( yet) more time on the crew--inspired by Marjin in his Lexington story...!
viewtopic.php?f=59&t=155672
Installed on the ship- I think they will look the part...
more soon!
the minutia is taking its time...
The 2 large stocked anchors--reminiscent of old large sailing ships-of-the-line...
Among many omissions and inaccuracies in the kit, the resin anchors were commendably good - fragile- and very nice--
apart from being about 25% overscale!!
Making my own replacements took its time...
Made of wire- with styrene timber stock with paper flukes
very fiddly and a number of failures all over the floor... (!!!! )
despite the over-scale chain ( which is already very small!
does kind of look the part
I also made new fair-leads-- after cutting away the oversize resin versions
by using some coarse old PE ladder, cutting away the rung and bending the sides in ...
The fwd davits were controlled via (wire?) ropes via pulleys on the main mast as well as a dedicated 'pulley mast '
the pulley sheaves appear in photos to have been mounted in a sheave cage
I made these using pieces of 1/350 stud-link chain( WEM Koenig) , squeezing them up and installing a brass circle disc (PE aircraft wheel )
sounds easy-- alas ... the mountain of failures littering the bench was quite impressive( in a miniature way! )
the results are quite satisfactory--
though they rather put my figure modelling skills to shame-- must spend ( yet) more time on the crew--inspired by Marjin in his Lexington story...!
viewtopic.php?f=59&t=155672
Installed on the ship- I think they will look the part...
more soon!
....I buy them at three times the speed I build 'em.... will I live long enough to empty my stash...?
http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... index.html
IPMS UK SIG (special interest group) www.finewaterline.com
http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... index.html
IPMS UK SIG (special interest group) www.finewaterline.com
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Re: Tsarist Navy GANGUT 1888
One day I must find an opportunity to see some of your models in real life ... 
Eberhard
Former chairman Arbeitskreis historischer Schiffbau e.V. (German Association for Shipbuilding History)
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- JIM BAUMANN
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Re: Tsarist Navy GANGUT 1888
Hello all!
on tthe home stretch now-- the part I enjoy most rigging-- has now almost been completed
The tapered mast was made in this instance as usual of stainless steel rod spun in a drill with the stainless rod in a v-shaped groove in the bench to control an oscillation-whilst removing material on the spinning rod using a file
The stepped tapered yard arms-- as per photo below-- were made using micro tubing with stainless wire inserted and the step bridges with white glue Of particular note were the yard arm foot-ropes--these were made of stretched sprue--
making one bowed piece of sprue along the yard arm--then using another piece of thinner stretched sprue , the end of which has been dipped in 'hot' Revell professional cement which is then attached at the chosen point of subdivision.
The hot cement partially melts and softens the larger longitudinal bow--when the vertical is gently pulled upwards a discernible kink is formed--the vertical is then attached to the yard arm and the waste removed
repeat numerus times and have a break when you get cross eyed!
this is both tricky and fiddly but sooooooo much finer and less clunky than any PE versions I have as yet come across
and the torpedo net spar rigging-- barely discernible against a black hull...
all this seemed seemed to take forever--along with rigging to all the davits and signal halyards etc etc!!
eventually the rigging was almost completed(( still a few shrouds to add)
and a start was made on colouring the calm Baltic Sea...
and marking the ships progress through the water
The end is truly in sight!
just a few more days of torture
Jim Baumann
on tthe home stretch now-- the part I enjoy most rigging-- has now almost been completed
The tapered mast was made in this instance as usual of stainless steel rod spun in a drill with the stainless rod in a v-shaped groove in the bench to control an oscillation-whilst removing material on the spinning rod using a file
The stepped tapered yard arms-- as per photo below-- were made using micro tubing with stainless wire inserted and the step bridges with white glue Of particular note were the yard arm foot-ropes--these were made of stretched sprue--
making one bowed piece of sprue along the yard arm--then using another piece of thinner stretched sprue , the end of which has been dipped in 'hot' Revell professional cement which is then attached at the chosen point of subdivision.
The hot cement partially melts and softens the larger longitudinal bow--when the vertical is gently pulled upwards a discernible kink is formed--the vertical is then attached to the yard arm and the waste removed
repeat numerus times and have a break when you get cross eyed!
this is both tricky and fiddly but sooooooo much finer and less clunky than any PE versions I have as yet come across
and the torpedo net spar rigging-- barely discernible against a black hull...
all this seemed seemed to take forever--along with rigging to all the davits and signal halyards etc etc!!
eventually the rigging was almost completed(( still a few shrouds to add)
and a start was made on colouring the calm Baltic Sea...
and marking the ships progress through the water
The end is truly in sight!
just a few more days of torture
Jim Baumann
....I buy them at three times the speed I build 'em.... will I live long enough to empty my stash...?
http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... index.html
IPMS UK SIG (special interest group) www.finewaterline.com
http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... index.html
IPMS UK SIG (special interest group) www.finewaterline.com
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Re: Tsarist Navy GANGUT 1888
The rigging is i-n-c-r-e-d-i-b-l-e. Nothing to compare with PE. Even extra fine wire won't look better...
Stunning job...
Stunning job...
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Re: Tsarist Navy GANGUT 1888
Amazing stuff Jim!!! An inspiration as usual!
I'm not surpzied that it takes some time to get all those tiny details finished...
Looking forward to the final pics!
Marijn
I'm not surpzied that it takes some time to get all those tiny details finished...
Looking forward to the final pics!
Marijn
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Re: Tsarist Navy GANGUT 1888
That is it!!!!
enough...! -- Gangut is finished... I dare not fiddle about more...
( I almost totally unrigged her as I was adding ' just one more halyard'.... *(!!)
and caught the main shroud with the edge of the tweezers..
aaarrrrrggghhhhhhh...................
I then patiently........ stripped and re-rigged.
She is done
herewith a couple of quick shots
more soon in the gallery!
cheers
JB
enough...! -- Gangut is finished... I dare not fiddle about more...
( I almost totally unrigged her as I was adding ' just one more halyard'.... *(!!)
and caught the main shroud with the edge of the tweezers..
aaarrrrrggghhhhhhh...................
I then patiently........ stripped and re-rigged.
She is done
herewith a couple of quick shots
more soon in the gallery!
cheers
JB
....I buy them at three times the speed I build 'em.... will I live long enough to empty my stash...?
http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... index.html
IPMS UK SIG (special interest group) www.finewaterline.com
http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... index.html
IPMS UK SIG (special interest group) www.finewaterline.com
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Re: Tsarist Navy GANGUT 1888
Jim,
this is a perfect model again!
Every detail, even the tiniest is to scale.
Your rigging is perhaps the finest I have seen
and the seascape is most convincing too.
Congrats,
George P�k
this is a perfect model again!
Every detail, even the tiniest is to scale.
Your rigging is perhaps the finest I have seen
and the seascape is most convincing too.
Congrats,
George P�k
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Re: Tsarist Navy GANGUT 1888
That looks great Jim!
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Re: Tsarist Navy GANGUT 1888
Well done Jim!
Bob Pink.
Bob Pink.
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Re: Tsarist Navy GANGUT 1888
Nicely done from the start
Jose
Jose
