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PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2016 1:34 am 
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Two advices from me:
1: Use AT LEAST 1 mm thick plastic for the skinning, better would be 1.5 or even 2 mm. If you don't, you'll regret it later, as the skin will definitely buckle between the ribs. I used 1 mm for my Rodney, and it buckled, although only slightly.
2: make a strip running through all the corners of the frames to keep them in place, otherwise they will bend away when the skin around the bilges is applied. If you don't you'll find yourself fighting with adding support strips to every frame separately as you go, a lot more work and it doesn't help to get a nice hull.
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Thanks for the advice again, David. I forgot that the gun glue is hot and could melt the plastic. @Fliger747 and all, I just received a few emails from Maarten Schönfeld which included his photos of his Lion build. He did an extremely amazing work over there! He also sent a comparison shot of the Lion, KGV, and Rodney turrets. That clearly shows their differences and similarities. Left to right: Lion 3D printed turret (designed by me), KGV turret (Tamiya), and Rodney turret (scratch-built by Maarten):
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NOTE: THIS IS NOT MY PROGRESS PHOTO! I have seen some members applausing the original thread builder/author when another person posts his own photos in the thread. But not to be confused with this one, cause it's the master's and students'!

As for me, I will be planking the hull in a matter of hours, so...til then!
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2016 1:42 am 
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Maarten Schönfeld wrote:
Two advices from me:
1: Use AT LEAST 1 mm thick plastic for the skinning, better would be 1.5 or even 2 mm. If you don't, you'll regret it later, as the skin will definitely buckle between the ribs. I used 1 mm for my Rodney, and it buckled, although only slightly.
2: make a strip running through all the corners of the frames to keep them in place, otherwise they will bend away when the skin around the bilges is applied. If you don't you'll find yourself fighting with adding support strips to every frame separately as you go, a lot more work and it doesn't help to get a nice hull.
Good luck!

Thanks for the reply Maarten! I did try 0.5 mm skinning and it buckled really, really crazy. I think I will use 1mm, though on 0.5 thick frames?

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2016 2:36 pm 
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can make the ribs from 1mm not .5mm as .5mm is too flimsy. double up the rib edges using 1mm strips for more surface area where the skin plates join butt to butt. on my 1/144 models, I didn't have to do that as I was using 1/4"x1/4" balsa stringers & the ribs where 1/4"x1/2" balsa.


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Hi all,
I have done a bit of skinning, but thought I should get more done, so not posting progress now. Instead I just happen to find my second Lion hull which was kept high on top of some cupboards for about a year now. It is looking pretty old! And also looking like a huge piece of apple! LoL! This hull was built when we were 13, that's about 1.5 year ago, so on average we build a new hull every 4.5 months over the past year! Not too much a waste as the first two were cardboards. The third hull is being scrapped and plastics from it will be used in the superstructure constructions. Now this current hull will be the last and best one...if nothing goes wrong! :heh:
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Here is what the hull looks like currently. Still needs much more sanding and a little bit of filler. I am trying to use as small amount of putty as possible as Maarten advised.
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stagger your joints as it will make the model stronger. slightly bevel the succeeding pieces so less gaps & therefore less putty. on flat areas, use longer & wider pieces plastic for the skin.


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DavidP wrote:
stagger your joints as it will make the model stronger. slightly bevel the succeeding pieces so less gaps & therefore less putty. on flat areas, use longer & wider pieces plastic for the skin.

Thanks for the tips again. Both of us have just got back home from our piano concert. It was a great experience and we really pleased the audiences! Really tired, though. It is already midnight here :heh: Anyway, we have done a bit more on the skinning, but tomorrow will be designing some more Lion parts. Maybe I might want to post progress of the 3D designs... Tired, tired, tired.... :faint: :faint: :faint:
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Heavy sanding, a coat of antifouling red spray, and she looks like this:
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Still needs more sanding...and a bit of filling.

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I have done nearly nothing to the hull so far, but have been very busy with 3D designs til now. I just want to post a few camouflage schemes that I made and might consider applying on my model. The first one's pattern is very similar, while the colours are identical, to HMS Warspite 1942 camouflage. I got the pattern from an image after some googling. Source is a video game called Naval Frontline:
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Here is the next one. The colours are identical to the Rodney's, with some colours excluded, as you can see. This is again from a video game, named Atlantic Fleet. I don't play both games and any other games as it is quite wasting time, but they sometimes give you some ideas, especially the wonderful World of Warships! I created a painting of the Amagi 1944 battlecruiser entirely from screenshots of some players on the net! I just hope WoWs will add a Lion class soon so I can see other details that they may create and then add them to my build...
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And here's the last one. Just the standard scheme applied to most ships:
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The colours seem quite weird and inaccurate, but I did use the colour picker to (try) create identical colours to the RN chips colour charts. Though with slight modification to make them more contrasting, especially the 507B and 507C.
I like all three of them. Maybe other schemes are very nice as well, like the Renown's and Resolution's, the KGV's 1944, etc. Maybe some of you can help/suggest some camouflages I could apply to my model? My brother told me we should keep her as clean as possible, to retain her beautiful outlines, and also to not disappear into the KGVs, most of which I would apply camos unique to each ships on my (future) models. But anyway we'll see.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2016 4:28 am 
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If you take the last one, you can paint the turrets in the same blue as the hull patch

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EJFoeth wrote:
If you take the last one, you can paint the turrets in the same blue as the hull patch


Thanks for looking in EJ! That is very very interesting indeed! Now I can paint the turrets blue! But, when was the scheme first employed? I just want to keep it early-war style, as the late war will need a lot of modifications and I don't want to do a late-war model with no modifications...it looks stupid to me!
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Oh, these schemes are late war. The first one you have is Warspite-like and can be applied for early war, the second scheme is more midwar. If you want early war you can apply the First Admiralty Disruptive schemes; I like them most :smallsmile:


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EJFoeth wrote:
If you want early war you can apply the First Admiralty Disruptive schemes; I like them most :smallsmile:

Do you mean the Warspite-like one?

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2016 5:36 am 
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No, these:

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Those are nice, but still, the Lion painted with those colours will simply turn her into a second Prince of Wales...
I really like the blue strip/turrets one, but hmmm... :heh: I will need to work out the pattern for it as well.....quite a lot of work...

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Can anyone tell when the aircraft systems were removed from the battleships line of the Royal Navy? Something in 1943-1944? Or maybe anyone knows what battleship was the last one to have the aircraft removed and when?
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Yes, I know someone who can:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/British-Battleships-1919-1945-R-Burt/dp/1848321309/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1470154151&sr=8-1&keywords=battleships+burt

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EJFoeth wrote:

Oh well.... :twitch:
I actually cannot buy any more books now...don't ask me why, ask my dad. He's a member here...







...on this planet.

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aircraft on the battleships were removed between late 1930's to 1944-45.
http://www.world-war.co.uk/bb/qe_class.php3
http://www.world-war.co.uk/bb/rs_class.php3
http://www.world-war.co.uk/bb/nelson_class.php3
http://www.world-war.co.uk/bb/kgv_class.php3


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