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PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2017 7:37 pm 
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Hello leeyou31,

Just realised it's already been a year since our last post! Time really flies... Well, modelling hours got filled up as we spend most of the time practising the piano, plus summer academy attending and masterclasses, and, recently, preparing to take the SAT and TOEFL tests. Nevertheless, we did purchase the NMM hull drawings a few months back, and are now editing it for laser cutting. We are also looking into the DesignCAD 3D Max software to design a 1/700 Lion hull. We'll try to post an update as soon as we could!

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Hey welcome back!

I am glad that you are back on the post.

I can tell that you have been busy with working on academical stuffs. Well i guess you are turning into senior or junior year in high school. Probably going thru hard and tough time working on studies. I hope everything works well for you.

So i guess you are planning to make 1/700 Lion hull.

how about 1/350 lion class battleship?

Did u guys finish making scratch build?

Whether it's on progress or finished, please share us a lot of picture that you guys have done so far.

I have so many questions to ask about your project and please update us!!!!

thank you!! =)


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Hello,
It's been another two months, and we haven't had the chance to do any thread update. We've been very busy with the GED Mathematics and English tests last week, which we scored about 80%; rather acceptable. Anyway, we figured the SAT would be something we need to worry more about, and that is coming up in about 10 days!! :dead: :dead:

Yesterday was a big day; the two of us made audio recordings of our piano repertoires that will be submitted to Indiana University for the admission's pre-screening round. The hardest part is that our teacher selected monstrous pieces for us to play. One of them is the Brahms Variations on a Theme of Paganini! Each of us play each book (Brahms composed 2 books with the same theme), and these proved to be the most difficult pieces technique-wise we have ever learnt! :faint: :faint:

Now let's jump back to our ship topic. Unfortunately, there's no progress made on the 1/350 Lion so far. :huh: But to count it, the only thing we've done seemed to be breaking a small part off the 3D printed superstructure! That simply broke off when we were trying to straighten it by bending, but this will be easily fixed...

Now the actual progress of the Lion...in a different scale.
Edit: We downloaded the free trial version of 3D Cad DesignMax Phil kindly recommended. He also gave us a lot of step-by-step explainations on using the software...many thanks to him! Unfortunately, the software seemed rather difficult for us to work with, and it isn't an easy task to make a hull, even for the professional ones. It requires a little too much practise to be able to even use the tools, so after several hairpulls, we simply let the free trial end by itself, and went with the old-school scratch-building! Nevertheless, we'll certainly give it another try with the software when we have the chance.
We have gone quite far into our 1/700 scale Lion hull keel construction. The styrene waterline and profile plates are temporarily fixed to an acrylic plate to ensure flatness. Then we attached each ordinates (frames) to the center profile piece from the transom stern to bow, and added the second level deck. Still need to do the same for the left side as well as adding another lower deck and the main deck on top. To make the solid hull, we plan to fill the whole skeleton with Magic Sculpt putty, as skinning with styrene strips at this scale will noticeably thicken the hull surface, and thus the hull becomes overscale.
It still needs much more refinements, but just to give the idea, here are the pictures!

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Comments and advice are welcomed! :big_grin:
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Renaissance Men, to be certain. :big_grin:

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I can barely manage Brahms opus 118 #2... :big_grin: Paganini variations... ayayay... best of luck with that :thumbs_up_1: I really like Kissin's version (who doesn't like Kissin...)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EIE78D0m1g


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i see now you are working on 1/700. however i wish you still continue the 1/350 lion class =)

From your idea, I started to working on King George V Class Battleship with 16 inch Gun plan.

I remember Churchill wants to put 16 inch Gun on KGV but then UK ended up putting 14 inch 10 guns on the ship.

With KGV Concept, I know Lion Battleship was planned to built.

So I decided to mix two battleship designs.

Pretty much Put 16 inch Lion Gun on the 1/350 Tamiya's KGV battleship.

Since B turret is small. I decided to put on one 16 gun.



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Design of Turret B 16 inch Gun


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Lion Class Triple 16 inch Turret


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The 3D printer outcome (DLP Style Printing outcome by Wanhao 7D )


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Total 7 16 inch Gun on KGV Class Battleship


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Front View of 16inch Gun version of KGV


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Closer View

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When seven 16inch guns elevated

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Seeing KGV from Top View.



Well. It's on process. I will update more or make my own thread to share my experience.

I only put seven 16inch gun.

It's because i know British people seeks some uniqueness all the time.

plus. 8 or 9 of 16inch gun will be too heavy for 35,000 tonage Battleship....

I was thinking about putting 6 guns. but then it would be too powerless plus pointless too.

With this design, I am planning to make this Battleship into RC mode.

However, my company is planning to send me to oversea so I think finishing modelt kit + Camo + Put some Eching kit will be max work i can do before i leave my country.

Well.. Hope enjoy this too.


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you have the room in "B" turret to mount 2 16" guns as the royal navy would not have gone for a single 16" gun in that turret. you have a type in that "350,000" ton when it should be "35,000" ton.


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DavidP wrote:
you have the room in "B" turret to mount 2 16" guns as the royal navy would not have gone for a single 16" gun in that turret. you have a type in that "350,000" ton when it should be "35,000" ton.



I changed 350,000 ton to 35,000 ton. it was a typo.

Maybe I will consider your opinion put two 16inch gun to mount on "B"Turret

By using Tamiya's "B" Gun turret, put two 16inch gun is not that hard.

But i will just go by with single turret though.

It's because i want to make KGV less powerful than 1938 Lion Class battleship.

Plus I have to request 3D Printing again but then i don't think i can get the outcome before i leave my country.


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@leeyou31, your KGV project looks great! I agree with David that you could put a twin mount for the superfiring. It is certainly up to you anyway, as the single mount makes for an interesting feature too. For the 3D print parts, you could try uploading your 3D designs on Shapeways, as they make very high quality printing, plus great services and convenient website. It should save much more time besides being able to ship to most countries as well.

We did not halt work on the 1/350 Lion, but currently we want to focus more on the 1/700 version, as we made a deal with Richard Harden of Toms Modelworks to create a resin kit to be sold under his brand. The hull master is scratchbuilt as in the photos, and the rest will be 3D printed. Then everything will be cast in resin. Richard would be helping with the PE design, so this would be pretty much a complete kit. It is such a great opportunity for us that we would have the chance to do scratch-building, 3D designing and learn the process of creating a kit. We wouldn't say this is going to be finished soon, but we are trying to work on it, even though free time is becoming more and more difficult to find.

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HMS Lion is depicted in the computer game World of Warships; they really get great detail on their models (e.g., https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tr19DkHuYac)

For an upgunned KGV I'd go with a 3-2-3 15" gun setup using the current secondaries, or the same 3-2-3 16"s with 4.5" secondaries. (don't know why I just said that)


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I have seen the WoWs' new Lion class, and they actually captured her pretty nicely and accurately! However, they depicted the ship as if she went through extensive modifications like capped funnels, extra AA weaponries, etc. The camouflage scheme is very interesting, so maybe that would be something I could do with my models... :cool_1:

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Aop Aur wrote:
@leeyou31, your KGV project looks great! I agree with David that you could put a twin mount for the superfiring. It is certainly up to you anyway, as the single mount makes for an interesting feature too. For the 3D print parts, you could try uploading your 3D designs on Shapeways, as they make very high quality printing, plus great services and convenient website. It should save much more time besides being able to ship to most countries as well.

We did not halt work on the 1/350 Lion, but currently we want to focus more on the 1/700 version, as we made a deal with Richard Harden of Toms Modelworks to create a resin kit to be sold under his brand. The hull master is scratchbuilt as in the photos, and the rest will be 3D printed. Then everything will be cast in resin. Richard would be helping with the PE design, so this would be pretty much a complete kit. It is such a great opportunity for us that we would have the chance to do scratch-building, 3D designing and learn the process of creating a kit. We wouldn't say this is going to be finished soon, but we are trying to work on it, even though free time is becoming more and more difficult to find.

Cheers,
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Hey Aop Aur. Thanks for your compliment.

I still think if i go 7 rounds of 16 inch gun or 8 rounds of 16inch gun.



According to KGV class battleship wikipedia " https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_Geor ... ship_(1939) "

It says " the new class would be built up to the Treaty maximum displacement of 35,000 tons. Alternatives with 16-inch, 15-inch and 14-inch main guns were considered and the 15-inch armament was chosen."

I was thinking "What would happen if 16inch guns were chosen with Treaty Maximum displacement of 35,000 tons? and how many guns KGV class can carry
with that restriction? " That's how i started my 3D design.

At the same time, I read Lion Class BB wikipeida.

From link " https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lion-class_battleship "

It says " The 1938 version of the Lion class had an overall length of 785 feet (239.3 m), a beam of 105 feet (32.0 m),[5] and a maximum draught of 33 feet 6 inches (10.2 m).[6] They displaced 40,550 long tons (41,200 t) at standard load and 46,400 long tons (47,100 t) at deep load.[5]"



Since it's about 5000 ton different,

Having 8 guns of 16inch gun will be too heavy for KGV with treaty's max displacement limit.

That's how i come up with my idea and time to time, i will try to calculate more details. Maybe 5000 ton difference can be done by engine weights, Armor belt weights and etcs.

BTW. My company is dragging me into :censored_2: works... I wish i had some time to work on the model.

Feel like i am getting shingles again due to too much stresses and works.

and please show us your progress when you work on the ship.


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Aop Aur wrote:
I have seen the WoWs' new Lion class, and they actually captured her pretty nicely and accurately! However, they depicted the ship as if she went through extensive modifications like capped funnels, extra AA weaponries, etc. The camouflage scheme is very interesting, so maybe that would be something I could do with my models... :cool_1:

Aop


I recently worked on my KGV battleship with 16inch gun turret version. I think i did up to 90% ~ 95%.

However, I am not sure if i have enough time to make it to RC conversion.

Here are some pics of my work.

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That's what i did upto. I started working on radar and antenna section.

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well my spray skill is not that great so... I won't say anything about the camo.

I'm just surprised how it just came out.

any comments i will reply on the bottom.


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That looks very nice! And what a speed! :thumbs_up_1:

The camouflage looks very cool, and nice colours, too. Is it your own design in reference of other existing ones? :thumbs_up_1:

Currently, we are staying in Bloomington, Indiana. The weather is cooling down and snow might be falling soon. For the 1/700 build, we've cut the top deck out of styrene, now ready to be glued to the hull. But there is a little story before that. On our way from the Indy airport to Bloomington, we left the box containing the skeleton hull on the shuttle bus! We had to go pick it up at their office and discovered someone has already put a name on it, in case no one claims! Perhaps that was a modeller who might be interested in building the ship? :rolf_3:

We're now waiting for MagicSculpt to be delivered, so we could start shaping up the hull. :woo_hoo:

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Aop Aur wrote:
That looks very nice! And what a speed! :thumbs_up_1:

The camouflage looks very cool, and nice colours, too. Is it your own design in reference of other existing ones? :thumbs_up_1:

Currently, we are staying in Bloomington, Indiana. The weather is cooling down and snow might be falling soon. For the 1/700 build, we've cut the top deck out of styrene, now ready to be glued to the hull. But there is a little story before that. On our way from the Indy airport to Bloomington, we left the box containing the skeleton hull on the shuttle bus! We had to go pick it up at their office and discovered someone has already put a name on it, in case no one claims! Perhaps that was a modeller who might be interested in building the ship? :rolf_3:

We're now waiting for MagicSculpt to be delivered, so we could start shaping up the hull. :woo_hoo:

Aop & Aur



For Camo, I used 1944 version of KGV. I used references from Tamiya's paint guide and internet.

But then it won't be accurate it's because i don't have that many colors.

Maybe tonight, tomorrow, or it could be on sunday, i am thinking about working on rigging. Before ahead i think i should work on 40mm Bofors guns etchings. After some parts are completes, I am going to put the ship on the tub and take massive pics of it though. haha. like...

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just ignore how my bath tub is dirty.



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I'm glad that you found your 1/700 hull.

hows your college app are going? Visiting from Thailand to USA.. it's not that close right?

Hope you can share us with your work soon.


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Here are some pics of water test for my model.

When it comes to convert model kit to RC model, I always check the weight balance on the water.

It's because It's important to check where the weight balance locates at when it moves.

I converted a USS CV to RC model and it is failed. It happened because the weight of balance was located above the water.

when it moved, it stumbles too much to the point it could flipped.

So... for my KGV 16inch model, I used wooden decks and some parts of brass materials.

I was thinking it already made some reasonable weights already before i started put motors, batteries, receiver, servos, and etc.

It's pretty frustrating when it comes to Balancing the weight in the water

however, it went very well.

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while i was looking at the pics, I could imagine how Lion Class battleship would look like.

Before i finish, let me apologize. I was thinking about put 40mm bofors anti air gun etchings and rigging But then i had no time though.

Next time when i post some pics, maybe it will contains some.

or....

I probably post some progress of RC conversion.


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The models look really cute in the tub! :puppy_eyes: :big_grin:
It would certainly be interesting to see it in an RC version! :thumbs_up_1:

We have submitted our pre-screening materials to the university, so all we could do right now is wait for the news, and practise hard! If all goes well, we would be performing in a live audition in early January, which would be the final step of the admission consideration. USA and Thailand are so far apart it took us 28 hours and 46 minutes for the entire journey! :faint: :faint:

We requested a set of boats specifically for the 1/350 Lion from Micro Master, and we have to say the quality is superb! Lots of thanks to him for his exquisite designs! Here is a picture after a bit of clean-up:

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We would have the chance to post a lot more photos once we get down to refining and painting these, but that would be some time later.

Some further progress of the 1/700 Lion hull was made. Inspired by Marijn's excellent work on his 1/700 IJN Amagi's lower hull, we started filling the compartments with MagicSculpt putty, and it is very easy to work with. Once clay A and B are equally mixed, the curing process is activated. After the clay was roughly filled into the gaps, we used a flat piece of plastic to smooth out the surface with water. Here is a photo before filling, just to show the complexity of the final keel construction:

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This is how it looks currently:

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A lot of sanding and refining is needed to be done, but it wouldn't be difficult with a putty as magical as MagicSculpt!

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as no fancy hull curves, you have clad each side of the hull with 1 strip of plastic.


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DavidP wrote:
as no fancy hull curves, you have clad each side of the hull with 1 strip of plastic.

Were you referring to the armour belts on the sides, or the skinning?

We have filled all the gaps with MagicSculpt and let it dry completely. This photo taken a few days earlier shows the very rough surface before shaping:

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Once it dried, we carefully separated the model from the clear acrylic base (previously fixed onto with removable spray glue), and started sanding. These pictures were taken after further filling and refining.

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Of course, a lot more refinements will need to be done to achieve the beautiful, streamlined curves of the ship!

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the skinning then the armour belt.


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