Calling all Illustrious-class & Implacable-class (WW2) fans
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maurice de saxe
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Re: HMS Victorious Colours
Steve
I'm using the Corsair Armada resin 1/700 kit with 3dmodelparts 0.50" machine guns (Wasp did not yet have 20mm weapons at this date) and various spare photo-etch bits and pieces. The airwing is Trumpeter (SB2U's, F4F-3's, and three TBD's - they're visible in the IWM images) with specific photo-etch upgrades from Flyhawk. I'm on the home stretch and I really have enjoyed it.
The thing that alarms me most about McCart's book is that the error rate for the World War II period images has to be close to 20 percent!
Maurice
I'm using the Corsair Armada resin 1/700 kit with 3dmodelparts 0.50" machine guns (Wasp did not yet have 20mm weapons at this date) and various spare photo-etch bits and pieces. The airwing is Trumpeter (SB2U's, F4F-3's, and three TBD's - they're visible in the IWM images) with specific photo-etch upgrades from Flyhawk. I'm on the home stretch and I really have enjoyed it.
The thing that alarms me most about McCart's book is that the error rate for the World War II period images has to be close to 20 percent!
Maurice
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mikasa
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Re: Calling all HMS Illustrious/Implacable class (WW2) fans
I see that Aoshima and Tom's model works both have PE sets for these. Has anyone used both with the new Aoshima kit? Any comments?
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ty dobsold
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HMS Formidable
Hi folks
I'm building Formidable as she was in August 1945. What was the color of the folkul bulwarks and deck color. I realize when the deck is on you can't see much,but this is for a friend.
Ty
I'm building Formidable as she was in August 1945. What was the color of the folkul bulwarks and deck color. I realize when the deck is on you can't see much,but this is for a friend.
Ty
Last edited by Gernot on Sun Apr 22, 2018 7:07 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Reason: corrected title and atrocious writing in general. Stumped on folkul
Reason: corrected title and atrocious writing in general. Stumped on folkul
- taskforce48
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Re: HMS Formidable
I would assume he meant Focastle
In the yards right now:
USS Utah AG-16
On Hold
1/350 USS Portland CA-33 1942
1/350 Trumpeter Texas with a twist
USS Utah AG-16
On Hold
1/350 USS Portland CA-33 1942
1/350 Trumpeter Texas with a twist
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mikasa
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Re: Calling all HMS Illustrious/Implacable class (WW2) fans
Have started working on Victorious. What are those mast thingies in the middle of the flight deck - 2 forward and one aft? I can't find any reference to them in AotS. It looks like they are depicted in the large side drawings of her as originally configured, but they are not labelled anywhere with a key, nor have I been able to find any reference to them in the text. I haven't seen them in many (any? - maybe I've forgotten some) photos.
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Re: HMS Formidable
I think the bulwarks were white, the decks I have no idea.ty dobsold wrote:Hi folks
I'm building Formidable as she was in August 1945. What was the color of the folkul bulwarks and deck color. I realize when the deck is on you can't see much,but this is for a friend.
Ty
In 1757 Admiral John Byng was shot "pour encourager les autres". Voltaire
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Re: Calling all HMS Illustrious/Implacable class (WW2) fans
A pure guess but there are many photos of RN ships lit up at night on special occasions, could they be for lights or bunting?mikasa wrote:Have started working on Victorious. What are those mast thingies in the middle of the flight deck - 2 forward and one aft? I can't find any reference to them in AotS. It looks like they are depicted in the large side drawings of her as originally configured, but they are not labelled anywhere with a key, nor have I been able to find any reference to them in the text. I haven't seen them in many (any? - maybe I've forgotten some) photos.
In 1757 Admiral John Byng was shot "pour encourager les autres". Voltaire
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moz
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Re: Calling all HMS Illustrious/Implacable class (WW2) fans
I'm building the old Aoshima Victorious and would like to do something a bit different to OOB.
Try as I might, I can't find any details regarding placement of armament for, say, Victorious late 1942/early 1943, nor July-Sep 1943.
Can anyone help with some pics/drawings/details?
Thanks
Peter
Try as I might, I can't find any details regarding placement of armament for, say, Victorious late 1942/early 1943, nor July-Sep 1943.
Can anyone help with some pics/drawings/details?
Thanks
Peter
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mikasa
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Re: Calling all HMS Illustrious/Implacable class (WW2) fans
Do you have the Anatomy of the Ship volume on her? That gives pretty good information about the armament upgrades that went along with her career.moz wrote:I'm building the old Aoshima Victorious and would like to do something a bit different to OOB.
Try as I might, I can't find any details regarding placement of armament for, say, Victorious late 1942/early 1943, nor July-Sep 1943.
Can anyone help with some pics/drawings/details?
Thanks
Peter
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mikasa
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Re: Calling all HMS Illustrious/Implacable class (WW2) fans
I'm back to working on my Victorious after a long absence. The Aoshima instruction sheet says that all the ships boats should be painted white. Is that correct? Looking at photos hasn't really helped - most of the time the boats are in the shadows and you can barely make them out, if at all, much less what colors they might be.....
Any help appreciated.
Any help appreciated.
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EJFoeth
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Re: Calling all HMS Illustrious/Implacable class (WW2) fans
In a few days this book will be released


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Al Newman
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moz
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Re: Calling all HMS Illustrious/Implacable class (WW2) fans
Thanks for the suggestion, Mikasa.mikasa wrote:Do you have the Anatomy of the Ship volume on her? That gives pretty good information about the armament upgrades that went along with her career.moz wrote:I'm building the old Aoshima Victorious and would like to do something a bit different to OOB.
Try as I might, I can't find any details regarding placement of armament for, say, Victorious late 1942/early 1943, nor July-Sep 1943.
Can anyone help with some pics/drawings/details?
Thanks
Peter
No, I don't have it. I have 12 books on WW2 carriers including Osprey's Brit Carriers 39-45, and the Anatomy book of the Bismarck, but that's it. None help, I'm afraid.
A quick look on the 'net reveals none of the book you mention for sale.
Thanks for the link, Al.
Peter
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Re: Calling all HMS Illustrious/Implacable class (WW2) fans
What is the SKU for the newer Illustrious kit? I don't want to get hosed on the older one.

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Al Newman
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Re: Calling all HMS Illustrious/Implacable class (WW2) fans
Are the HACS IV on HMS Victorious the same shape as HMS KGV, they appear to be completely circular whereas HMS KGV has a part of the side that is flat?
I have read she had Pom Pom MK III directors during the Bismarck action, I�ve found pictures of MK I II.s and IV,s but can�t find any of the III�s, is there a picture anywhere. Any help appreciated thank you Al.
I have read she had Pom Pom MK III directors during the Bismarck action, I�ve found pictures of MK I II.s and IV,s but can�t find any of the III�s, is there a picture anywhere. Any help appreciated thank you Al.
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tjstoneman
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Re: Calling all HMS Illustrious/Implacable class (WW2) fans
The HA.DCTs on VICTORIOUS and KING GEORGE V appear the same visually (circular in plan view, with a "box" on the front face):
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Cate ... _Green.jpg
https://www.fleetairarmoa.org/content/s ... _large.jpg
PRINCE OF WALES, ILLUSTRIOUS and FORMIDABLE had the same systems; later ships had HACS Mk V, with flat-faced and flat-sided HA.DCTs.
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Cate ... _Green.jpg
https://www.fleetairarmoa.org/content/s ... _large.jpg
PRINCE OF WALES, ILLUSTRIOUS and FORMIDABLE had the same systems; later ships had HACS Mk V, with flat-faced and flat-sided HA.DCTs.
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Al Newman
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Re: Calling all HMS Illustrious/Implacable class (WW2) fans
Thank you for your reply, please see attached link, whilst this is from a model so down to interpretation the HACS look completely circular. https://www.flickr.com/photos/92998762@ ... 833731444/ Do you have any info on the Pom Pom directors mark 3 please?
Many thanks Al.
Many thanks Al.
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Re: Calling all HMS Illustrious/Implacable class (WW2) fans
That matches what it should look like. The flat being referred to in some posts is on the front lower part of the director.Al Newman wrote:Thank you for your reply, please see attached link, whilst this is from a model so down to interpretation the HACS look completely circular. https://www.flickr.com/photos/92998762@ ... 833731444/ Do you have any info on the Pom Pom directors mark 3 please?
Many thanks Al.
My CO prior to flying to the boomer: Our goals on this patrol is to shoot missiles and torpedoes.
Me: Capt don’t we really want to be like Monty Python and not be seen?
LT you seem to be missing the big picture
Oh
Me: Capt don’t we really want to be like Monty Python and not be seen?
LT you seem to be missing the big picture
Oh
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Al Newman
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Re: Calling all HMS Illustrious/Implacable class (WW2) fans
If you look at the third picture along on the attached link it's the flat faces to the back and side that I was asking about https://www.shapeways.com/product/8329V ... est-detail Al.
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EJFoeth
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Re: Calling all HMS Illustrious/Implacable class (WW2) fans
KGV prior to receiving the radar. Note that slight knuckle aft of the optical rangefinder going aft
The right unit does not appear to have continuous curvature on its back and the knuckle line is again wavy.
From this angle very much not round.
Appears round from the top.
I suppose the sides of the unit are double-curved surfaces and there not different shapes; only different appearances based on light conditions and viewing angles... hmmm
The right unit does not appear to have continuous curvature on its back and the knuckle line is again wavy.
From this angle very much not round.
Appears round from the top.
I suppose the sides of the unit are double-curved surfaces and there not different shapes; only different appearances based on light conditions and viewing angles... hmmm