Calling all Russian Pre-Dreadnought Fans!

[Christian M.]

In matter of any doubts you are mostly right Darius ... but I can't remember in moment where I read following in content:

As you know, the nromal wartime paint was this more black as grey colour as visible on the Borodinos (matter of weathering effect aside now). Out of this colour the Russian Grey later was developed by lighning it slightly up.
But I have also a source for your words in matter of looking on German Navy Grey of Imperial Navy before WW-1 here ... and that Russian Navy took over this.
As you wrote, the b/w photos are hard to rate even with special programs to make qualitiy better etc.

[biercemountain]

Anyone know anything about Ark Models 1/400 St. Panteleymon? Is this just a rebox of the Heller Battleship Potemkin?

[Timmy C]

It's the same lineage/vintage as all the other 1/400 kits of the class - don't even know who came out with it first!

[litvin70]

I found very helpful build this model:
http://karopka.ru/forum/forum190/topic17773/

[DariusP]

It's the same lineage/vintage as all the other 1/400 kits of the class - don't even know who came out with it first!

Heller was the first Timmy (Potemkin and Aurora). Than Oganiok, than Novo and so on
http://www.oldmodelkits.com/index.php?d ... darchive=1
http://www.oldmodelkits.com/index.php?d ... darchive=1

[prowler0000]

Quick question as i prime my Trumpy Tsesarevich:

Did the 1917 era ship have a black boot-top?

I just saw a colourized photo of her on a Russian website & it appears to be just hull red then grey uppers, but we ALL know about the joys of colourization, don't we?!?!?

Any insight GREATLY appreciated!

[Dan Banks]

I haven't seen a specific answer to your boot top question, but black boot topping came along when warships started using oil instead of coal for fuel. I am sure there are exceptions to this but even later classes of Russian dreadnought BB's did not have a boot. Many Russian and French warships had a thin white line between upper and lower hull, but this seemed to be disappearing by WWI. If you can't find a photo of WWI era warships with black boot, I'd assume no and leave it off. Anyone says different, tell them to post it up.

[DariusP]

Dan is quite right. No boot topping in Russian pre-dreads.

[Kilsh]

Hi

I recently purchased the Trumpeter Tsesarevich and was surprised to find that it doesn�t contain any rigging diagrams as part of the otherwise good instructions. I�m specifically interested in the 1904 version. Where is the best place to find some?

Also I can find a partial SBS by Tracy White on the build, does anyone know of a full one?

Cheers

Neil

[JIM BAUMANN]

to modelwarships.com!!

Ships of that era often had amazingly complex rigging.
Much of which was flag signal halyards to the yards for communication
as well as the shrouds to various levels of he tall masts to make them stay up
along with rigging fwd and aft to give the masts stability in that plane
coupled with the funnel stays etc


Your best bet as a starting point will be photos of the period.
a specific rigging diagram I cannot think of at immediate moment -

... as a guideline to what she ( may have !! ) looked like earlier in her career...

herewith a couple of images of my model of Tsesaravith in 1/700 scale I built back in 1999.
( 35 mm scans ! ) hence not amazingly sharp...

Kind regards

Jim Baumann

[JIM BAUMANN]

It may be wroth a Pm chat with Chris Medding who built a 1904 Tsesaravitch

link below

viewtopic.php?f=60&t=163669&hilit=meddings#p704655

[Kilsh]

Hi Jim

Thanks for the welcome and info. Very nice build by the way. I will PM Chris.

Cheers

Neil

[Tracy White]

Neil - for future consideration. Rigging diagrams in model instructions are rare. Even in my time researching at the US National Archives I have yet to see an official "rigging diagram" in any of the plans I have looked through. So, even if Trumpeter were to actually look at official plans of a ship (they usually just use what they can download for free or in a scanned book), there isn't a lot for them to work on without putting some time into research and understanding the ship in question. Jim's suggestion is generally how we start. In some cases there may be a good book with some schematics and drawings, but even those are often incomplete.

(Welcome aboard, by the way!)

[pascalemod]

I�m specifically interested in the 1904 version.

Jesus Christ.

[Kilsh]

Hi Tracy

Thanks for the info and warm welcome.

I did see a SBS which you had started did you ever complete it?

Regards

Neil

[Tracy White]

I have not. I started the 1917 kit, but really wanted to do 1905. I have since picked up a cheap 1905 kit to use as a template to scratch-build the missing structures, but ran into two other issues (well, three - it's now winter and not model building season since I work in an unheated garage) of paint (Linden Hill was out of the colors I needed at the time) and a curved inclined ladder on her aft platform I wanted to have consistent with the other photo-etch but wasn't sure how best to create:

[Kilsh]

Thanks again Tracy.

I may wait until someone who knows what they are doing like yourself posts more info or a SBS before I start mine. I�m new to ship modelling, I usually paint busts but am alwAys impressed and inspired by the ship models I see at shows especially the pre dreadnoughts and thought that this would make a nice change and a great retirement project for me.

Regards

Neil

[Lord_Calidor]

Hi Kilsh,
have you decided on the paint scheme, or are you just following the in box instructions?
Appearently, Tsesarevich's paint scheme is a topic and a half all by itself, since it varies by time period, also there are no exact color codes etc.
I just ordered the Trumpy 1/350 1904 fit and am planning to build her as she was at the Battle of the Yellow Sea, and am struggling somewhat to find a reliable source.

[Tracy White]

Appearently, Tsesarevich's paint scheme is a topic and a half all by itself, since it varies by time period, also there are no exact color codes etc.

I'm basing my build color choices on this thread and AKAN paints. If nothing else, using paints from Russia seems appropriate.

[Kilsh]

Hi Lord Calidor

I haven�t decided on colour scheme as yet, as you rightly say it varies greatly by the exact period in her life. I haven�t decided yet what period I will build as to determine colour. Tracy�s input on colour schemes and AKAN paints looks invaluable though.

Thanks Tracy for this lead.

If there are a few of us looking at research and build around the same time perhaps we should create a new thread covering as aspects of Tsearevich 1904 as this thread was originally just regarding rigging.

For example I am interested in people�s views regarding the Hunter wooden deck,as an option, yes or no?

Cheers

Neil