1/96 H.M.S. VICTORIOUS for R/C

Victorious · Post by **Victorious** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 7:04 pm

Your telling me there is some work on it

I am going to carry on with it up to the weekend of April 2nd, so it will look a bit better when I bring it to Ellesmere. Hopefully, this part of the build will be finished.

Then it's back to Marlborough for a while.

Post by **Dave Wooley** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 7:12 pm

Looking forward to it Geoff ! At least you will have the difficult part of the build behind you

Dave Wooley

Victorious · Post by **Victorious** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 7:22 pm

Dave Wooley wrote:Looking forward to it Geoff ! At least you will have the difficult part of the build behind you
Dave Wooley

That's why I want to crack on with it, so that I won't have much to alter when I get back to it later in the year.

I must get back on with the Marlborough as soon as possible after the April weekend, as this only leaves me three months, to get it looking presentable ready for it's meeting with the Iron Duke.

Although it won't be finished, it will look much better than it is at the moment.

Bill Waldorf · Post by **Bill Waldorf** » Sun Mar 19, 2006 1:28 am

You'll find that Carriers are not as easy as one thinks. I have built 5 big ones. Hiryu will be next. Your ship looks good so far. I'll build my own hull on Hiryu. She is close to Soryu, which I have already done. looks like alot of work your putting into a pre-made hull. Why did you not do your own?? The Marlbourgh looks great. Time or money?? Just curious. Anyway, looks great! I wish you well on the project.

Victorious · Post by **Victorious** » Sun Mar 19, 2006 5:47 am

Bill Waldorf wrote:You'll find that Carriers are not as easy as one thinks. I have built 5 big ones. Hiryu will be next. Your ship looks good so far. I'll build my own hull on Hiryu. She is close to Soryu, which I have already done. looks like alot of work your putting into a pre-made hull. Why did you not do your own?? The Marlbourgh looks great. Time or money?? Just curious. Anyway, looks great! I wish you well on the project.

Hi Bill,
You're telling me that Carrier's are not that easy to build, there is quite a lot of work involved.

Since buying this hull, I have come to realise that there is much more work on it than I thought there would be.

Mainly, this is because it was not properly thought out in the first place by the supplier.

It looked okay when I first saw it, but when I got it home, I realised that it did not match up with the proper plan's

( These being a copy of the original Admiralty Plans in 1/8" to the foot scale )

Luckily, I have managed to correct most of it, with quite a bit of chopping and changing, except the actual position of the Island, which should be further forward. This will have to remain as it is, otherwise, I might as well bin the whole hull and make a new one from scratch.
I bought this hull, to save time mainly, but If I had realised the amount of work I have had to do to it, I would never have bought it in the first place.

But I am not going to be beaten, I shall plod on with it now I have managed to get it looking more like the proper ship and luckily, as it will be used for sailing only, I can get away without it having to be up to exhibition standard. It will be mainly for my own enjoyment, despite what any critics may have to say about it.

If I ever build another Carrier, which I would like to someday, I will certainly build my own hull from scratch.

Thank you for your comment's Bill and I look forward to your Hiryu Carrier build.

Geoff

Victorious · Post by **Victorious** » Sun Mar 19, 2006 5:39 pm

I have spent a few hours in the drydock again this afternoon and managed to get a bit more done.

I have now got both 4.5 rear gun platforms in place. The dark area at the bottom right of the outrigger, is where I had to shape it to match the other side. Another one of Dean's blunders. This had to be filled inside with body filler, then shaped from the outside, using a mini sanding drum, to take away the fibre glass which was moulded without the recess. Without filling first from inside, I would have been left with a hole, so the filler allowed me to shape the recess.

Note the new curtains, this helps to keep the drydock warmer at night.

You can see the recess here on the right of the moulding in this picture, this being the good side.

Once this had been done, I put in a few more frames across the rear section of the hull.

And a cross brace on the forward pair of frames.

I then did a bit more work on the boat deck galleries, by realigning the top framework, which angles inwards. Again, Deans had left this straight. I put in two new uprights between each gallery. This part is now almost complete as far as altering is concerned.

Here you can see how the top edge slopes inwards to the centre of the gallery opening.

Enjoy

Victorious

ARH · Post by **ARH** » Sun Mar 19, 2006 5:45 pm

Nice up date Geoff,

klein loewietje · Post by **klein loewietje** » Sun Mar 19, 2006 5:53 pm

With all those corrections, you can say that you (semi-)scratched your hull as well!!
Good Job

johan

Victorious · Post by **Victorious** » Sun Mar 19, 2006 5:57 pm

Yes Johan, I would have been better scratchbuilding it in the first place. One thing's for sure, I will never have another hull from Dean's.

Victorious · Post by **Victorious** » Wed Mar 22, 2006 6:00 pm

Work is still continuing, but there is nothing significant to show much progress, as most of the work has been applying body filler to various places and lots sanding.

However, the weather was quite nice today, so I brought Vic outside for another photo shoot, this tme with it's almost completed flight deck. I also placed the superstructure and funnel, that came with the hull, but this is too long at the rear by 3 inches. and the frond edge is much to sharp. So I will be scratchbuiloding a complete new one, when the build starts proper. I will use the funnel moulding though, as this seems to be ok.

Here is a bottom view, taken before I took it outside.

4 views, with flight deck on and superstructure.

I then placed the model upside down, whilst I finished off some sanding to one of the rear 4.5" gun platforms. These had to be filled with body filler on the outside, to make them 1/2 wider than originally moulded.

Since these photos were taken, I have been doing some work on the central shaft fairing, put in the rudder post and made part of the actual rudder. These will be shown on the next update.

Enjoy.

Victorious

ARH · Post by **ARH** » Wed Mar 22, 2006 6:15 pm

Geoff , the way your going you would be better finishing the Vic off, your not that far off

looking good, ARH

KYamato · Post by **KYamato** » Wed Mar 22, 2006 7:08 pm

Heh, dont go too far Victorious, you may actually finish when you didnt want to...

Nicely coming along though..

Victorious · Post by **Victorious** » Wed Mar 22, 2006 7:19 pm

ARH wrote:Geoff , the way your going you would be better finishing the Vic off, your not that far off looking good, ARH

I am tempted, but I want to get Marlborough done first. There is a hell of a lot of work to do on the Vic before it will be finished. I am just getting as much as I can do before I bring it to Ellesmere on April 2nd.
After that it going into mothballs for about six months.

middle_watch · Post by **middle_watch** » Thu Mar 23, 2006 3:26 am

Steaming away! But where did you find the good weather? Must have missed my bit of the country, my back yard goes from muddy swamp to frozen muddy swamp and back again.

Post by **Dave Wooley** » Thu Mar 23, 2006 5:39 am

Hi Geoff I follow your "Re-construction" with great interest and as stated by others on this thread you are very near scratch building the hull . Given your progress thus far you are almost at a point were you were with Marlborough before moving on the Victorious. So why not just carry on . Your on an building ROLL so keep it going you will find that Victorious will be completed quicker than you expected. Then return to Marlborough fresh and ready to take up were you left off with out having another model in the back ground to dwell on . Considering that there is more general detail on Marlborough in the way of deck fittings etc than on Victorious The logic being you will always be tempted to stop again on Marlborough to return to Victorious.
Dave Wooley

Victorious · Post by **Victorious** » Thu Mar 23, 2006 5:41 am

middle_watch wrote:Steaming away! But where did you find the good weather? Must have missed my bit of the country, my back yard goes from muddy swamp to frozen muddy swamp and back again.

The sun only shines on the rightious.

Nice to see you back, where have you been these last few weeks.?
Your topics are slipping away off the board, time for an update to get them up top again

Jefgte · Post by **Jefgte** » Thu Mar 23, 2006 11:13 am

What a great and nice Vic

Just one thing:

Jef

Victorious · Post by **Victorious** » Thu Mar 23, 2006 5:46 pm

Quite a bit of debate has been going on over the past few day's, as to whether I should carry on doing Victorious. Dave Wooley, seems to favour this and personally, I have got that engrossed in it, I feel like continuing with it too.
Our local boat club is having a Warship Day in July, and I don't think there will be any Aircraft Carrier's attending this event, so I and one or two of my club member's, would like to see the Vic at this event.
Ron is bringing Iron Duke, so at least there will be one of this class represented. I could not possibly have Marlborough ready in time, to look on par with Iron Duke, so this will now be finished at a later date and Victorious will remain on the slipway.
There are not too many fittings on a carrier, compared to a battleship, so progress should be a lot quicker and it should be looking somewhere near completed by July.

Here are a couple more photo's of what I have done today.
First, the central prop shaft fairing was not deep enough to allow a 50mm 5 blade prop, so I have built it up a bit more with body filler, to allow clearance. Note also, that I have added the rudder keel, which was not moulded as part of the hull. This was made from brass plate inserted through a slot I made in the hull, a cross plate soldered to this sits inside the hull and the whole assembley was then boded inside with 2 part epoxy resin and built up with filler on the outside.

Here you can see the unfinished rudder in place

The rudder was made from 1/16th brass plate with a 3/16th brass rod soldered to it.

This was then covered with body filler and when set, was sanded to shape.

Here is the completed rudder, temporary fitted in position. The lingage etc will be made at a later date.

Enjoy

Victorious

ARH · Post by **ARH** » Thu Mar 23, 2006 6:12 pm

Hi Geoff, while you are on the stern section, why not correct the last little bit of the stern while your at it, the true shape should be like the RED lines in the picture.

Victorious · Post by **Victorious** » Thu Mar 23, 2006 6:23 pm

Yes I noticed that on the plan's, actually the hull should be about an inch wider at the stern, as if you look on the plan, it is more gradually rounded, and on the model hull Deans have made it too sharp.
I can't allter that, but I could build up the depth as you have suggested.
Thank's Ron