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PostPosted: Sat Aug 18, 2018 11:39 am 
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There is a photo of NAIAD wearing the Dark Grey hull (and superstructure below foc's'le deck level and "Y" turret) and Light Grey upperworks scheme, captioned as 1941, available from the Imperial War Museum (https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item ... /205140571). The configuration appears to be the same as the Flyhawk kit. According to Alan Raven & John Roberts British Cruisers of World War Two (Arms & Armour Press, 1980), she had five single 20mm fitted in September 1941; this may have been after this photo was taken (it shows the positions abreast the bridge still carrying quad 0.5" machine guns).


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There is a photo of NAIAD wearing the Dark Grey hull (and superstructure below foc's'le deck level and "Y" turret) and Light Grey upperworks scheme, captioned as 1941, available from the Imperial War Museum (https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item ... /205140571). The configuration appears to be the same as the Flyhawk kit. According to Alan Raven & John Roberts British Cruisers of World War Two (Arms & Armour Press, 1980), she had five single 20mm fitted in September 1941; this may have been after this photo was taken (it shows the positions abreast the bridge still carrying quad 0.5" machine guns).


Thanks Tim

It looks like it's had radars added to the mastheads but I can't see anything else different at first look. I'll have a think on that one.

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The masthead antennae are for RDF Type AW.279, which, according to F.A. Kingsley (Ed) Radar and Other Electronic Systems in the Royal Navy in World War 2 (Basingstoke: MacMillans Press Ltd, 1995) was fitted in NAIAD in September 1940. Representations are included in the photo-etch fret in the Flyhawk kit. No other RDF fits are recorded, or evident in photographs, as far as I know.


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tjstoneman wrote:
The masthead antennae are for RDF Type AW.279, which, according to F.A. Kingsley (Ed) Radar and Other Electronic Systems in the Royal Navy in World War 2 (Basingstoke: MacMillans Press Ltd, 1995) was fitted in NAIAD in September 1940. Representations are included in the photo-etch fret in the Flyhawk kit. No other RDF fits are recorded, or evident in photographs, as far as I know.



Thanks again Tim

I think I'll do her in the dark hull/light upperworks scheme then. I've got other cruisers to do in disruptive camouflage so it'll be something different in that scheme.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 25, 2019 9:52 am 
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Afternoon!

Planning on converting the Flyhawk Naiad (1940) to HMS Argonaut as she appeared during the D-Day landings, any pointers on sources for plans and details on upgrades/equipment changes.

Any major points I should be aware of regarding differences?

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 25, 2019 10:19 am 
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The Q 5.25" turret was replaced by a third quadruple Pom Pom, five 20 mm twins and six 20 mm single, an additional director for the third PomPom in front of the bridge plus radars at the mast and directors.

She was apparently painted in 507B hull, 507C superstructure and white masts. If the names (and shades) of the colours are correct, no idea - there is a lot of discussion about RN colours.

There is a model of Argonaut in that fit in the collection of the NMM:
https://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/67527.html

See also:
https://www.militaryimages.net/media/hms-argonaut-cruiser.15992/

Here are also two 1944 photos (in Malta, at the lower third of that page):
https://www.world-war.co.uk/Dido/argonaut.php3

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Does anybody know where I might find plans for a Dido class ship? My only preference on which ship would be any of the 5 turret ships, though Hermione would be ideal. I also don't care what scale the plans are in as I'll be converting them down to a smaller scale.

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DavidP wrote:
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Shot you a reply, thank you!

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Having dabbled with thinking about it, i am about to take the plunge and start a build of Dido
Not fussed with R/C but if i could build her with a possible retrofit possibility might go that way
Looking to do her as she was Dec 44 as Dad was on her then, hopefully should get his Arctic Star soon

Some questions if any one can answer

Have narrowed it down to either the Fleetscale or Deans
I paid a visit to Glasgow a year or so ago and took some pics of the model and thought the open bridge with all the gizmos made it

Modelling bsckground

Stacks of planes,ship,cars locos al plastic in my yoof

Have graduated from OO to 5in live steam but feel that the eqpt will be a bit ;heavy if any turning milling reqd

Superstructure.. What is best material? I can get 0.5mm brass sheet laser cut ( i use Autocad) as it can be drawn to slot together and then solder ( either soft or silver) plus the thickness would be more to scale with the added bonus of being more solid
Plastic i would only use if i have to as i dont trust myself freehand in getting things 100% and worrying about long term warping

It looks like that Deans do all the bits but the info they supply on the 'bolt on bits' is a bit vague, stack of lockers hatches and various other bits that appear to be doubled up. Do i need every part they sell or are some specific to Dido?

Fleetscale dont appear to have such a range

Planking Deans do 1/96 fleetscale nothing shown
Can the metal forecastle decking ( hope i have that correct) be purchased, if not what is the best way of doing it

It looks like i will go for Deans but would prefer the smaller model ( SWMBO will go mental on whatever i get!!)
ATM i have the Black dragon 1/96 drawing full size and the Ensign book in the loft!
On these plans the items are numbered ,with corresponding numbers located on the deck plans. Is this the positions of the items?
Is there a list that i can look at to see what the number actually refers to? Or has anyone done one and can these be easily cross referred to any of the fleetscale/Deans parts?

Any other books recommended?

Any other info, hints tips welcome, what was your build time?

Dont mind it on here as it might save duplication by other builders

Thanks in advance and apologies for the ramble and questions

Ron


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 21, 2020 6:35 am 
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Mike W wrote:
I've got my Flyhawk HMS Naiad kit now and what a great kit it looks!

But as per usual there is a problem with the camouflage scheme. The kit instructions say Light Grey, Brown and Green but Raven says Black, APC507B and APC507C. Initially I'm more inclined to go with Raven's colour suggestions but before I do, does anyone know any better?

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Mike's question, 5 years later is it still true that most likely colours for HMS Naiad camouflage are not the light grey/green/brown, but AP507A/C/black? Or has research developed further?

The Flyhawk kit is excellent.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 21, 2020 6:44 am 
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Wright claims that both patterns existed... Would 507A and black not be too similar?

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maxim wrote:
Wright claims that both patterns existed... Would 507A and black not be too similar?


Not if your 507A is based on the correct references and isn't substantially too dark:
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Ups, that is only a medium grey... For sure, you have chosen a very sunny day, but still for sure not a very dark grey. That means, you would thinks that Naiad was painted in black, 507A, and 507C?

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I can show you it looking up-sun too with it in shade.

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It's a dark grey, but not as dark as previously portrayed. This is a key aspect of the whole 507A=507B argument. Both of the previous portrayals (and Wright's current ones) are incorrect - the true shade was in between them.

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As for Dido - I've never looked to be honest. All I'm saying is that there's a substantial contrast between black paint and correct toned 507A/B :)

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