I had hoped to research this during my fall archives trip last week, but work kept me so busy up to the point of my flight out (I even bought wireless to work on the flight out) that I wasn't able to prepare for this search in advance and rolled with some simpler ones I had planned out as backup searches some time ago. The Navy classified paint as a "preservative coating" and had eight major sub-classifications defined. The "General Correspondence" files for the war has a section of S19 that is 45 boxes long. The S19-1 code in which "Painting, structural, inside" is contained is 26 of those boxes, and clearly a little bit of work to go through. I had hoped to narrow it down a bit more, but punted and instead grabbed the 1942, 43, and 1944 "Secret General Correspondence" boxes (one each for each year) hoping there would at least be some interesting S19-7 (camouflage) info in there.
I believe the hangar spaces were some sort of metallic paint, but I try to be very careful to say that it is conjecture and not proven. I have high standards of proof and truth and won't say otherwise until I find a document I can post or show to prove it and also say when it changed.
Tracy White wrote:I had hoped to research this during my fall archives trip last week, but work kept me so busy up to the point of my flight out (I even bought wireless to work on the flight out) that I wasn't able to prepare for this search in advance and rolled with some simpler ones I had planned out as backup searches some time ago. The Navy classified paint as a "preservative coating" and had eight major sub-classifications defined. The "General Correspondence" files for the war has a section of S19 that is 45 boxes long. The S19-1 code in which "Painting, structural, inside" is contained is 26 of those boxes, and clearly a little bit of work to go through. I had hoped to narrow it down a bit more, but punted and instead grabbed the 1942, 43, and 1944 "Secret General Correspondence" boxes (one each for each year) hoping there would at least be some interesting S19-7 (camouflage) info in there.
I believe the hangar spaces were some sort of metallic paint, but I try to be very careful to say that it is conjecture and not proven. I have high standards of proof and truth and won't say otherwise until I find a document I can post or show to prove it and also say when it changed.
While, taking into account �scale effect� on a 1/700 subject, for the hanger interior, I wouldn�t be using straight white, nor aluminum either. Probably a very light grey would be the color, for the scale effect of both white and aluminum in 1/700 I�m thinking....
Tracy White wrote:I would think a dull aluminum (not dark, but not shiny) would probably look most in scale.
Possibly. I�m trying to think of a color that when scale effect is applied, would satisfy representing both white and aluminum, so which ever one you eventually confirm, would be covered.
Despite my researching I am firmly in the "it's your model; build it how you want to" camp.
Or, if you want to play it safe, we KNOW they were painted white at some point. We don't know if and when some form or Silver was used. At most if we find documentation supporting it, people can say "it's wrong for the time period." *IF* we don't or find documentation disproving it they can say "what were you thinking, you goober?????"
Tracy White wrote:Despite my researching I am firmly in the "it's your model; build it how you want to" camp.
Or, if you want to play it safe, we KNOW they were painted white at some point. We don't know if and when some form or Silver was used. At most if we find documentation supporting it, people can say "it's wrong for the time period." *IF* we don't or find documentation disproving it they can say "what were you thinking, you goober?????"
So, white is safer.
Probably true, but I doubt straight white is a good choice when applying scale effect on a 1/700 model. On a 1/200 model on the other hand....
Tracy White wrote:Despite my researching I am firmly in the "it's your model; build it how you want to" camp.
Or, if you want to play it safe, we KNOW they were painted white at some point. We don't know if and when some form or Silver was used. At most if we find documentation supporting it, people can say "it's wrong for the time period." *IF* we don't or find documentation disproving it they can say "what were you thinking, you goober?????"
So, white is safer.
Tracy,
It would be interesting if the use of Silver is proven. Silver Oxide paint was quite popular during this time as a protective coating that was bright, slip proof, and durable. Many of the industrial buildings in my home town from the period are painted with it. Also, my garage was built in 1935 and was painted both inside and out with the stuff and has held up for over 80 years. So it wouldn't be too far fetched to see it used in military marine applications.
Thomas E. Johnson wrote:What time frame does the Trumpeter 1/700 kit represent the ship? I�m thinking 1942....
Fall of 1942. Mixture of 1.1 on bow, 40mm before and after the Island. 20mm on the aft roundown of the FD
My CO prior to flying to the boomer: Our goals on this patrol is to shoot missiles and torpedoes.
Me: Capt don’t we really want to be like Monty Python and not be seen?
LT you seem to be missing the big picture
Oh
Thomas E. Johnson wrote:The torpedo bulges were added in late 1943 if memory serves? I haven�t actually looked closely at any pics to see if it�s visible above the waterline.
I hope if the upcoming 1/200 Trumpeter kit is a complete new tool and not a reuse of the 1/200 Hornet hull, they made it a late war variant....
No bulges on the kit
My CO prior to flying to the boomer: Our goals on this patrol is to shoot missiles and torpedoes.
Me: Capt don’t we really want to be like Monty Python and not be seen?
LT you seem to be missing the big picture
Oh
Thomas E. Johnson wrote:The torpedo bulges were added in late 1943 if memory serves? I haven�t actually looked closely at any pics to see if it�s visible above the waterline.
I hope if the upcoming 1/200 Trumpeter kit is a complete new tool and not a reuse of the 1/200 Hornet hull, they made it a late war variant....
No bulges on the kit
So the 1/200 kit will likely reuse the 1/200 Hornet hull...
Thomas E. Johnson wrote:So the 1/200 kit will likely reuse the 1/200 Hornet hull...
It's possible, but I wouldn't say "likely". They could have easily reused the bad Hornet hull for the new Yorktown and Enterprise kits, but they gave us a new tool. Hopefully they'll do the same for 1/200.
We like our history sanitized and theme-parked and self-congratulatory, not bloody and angry and unflattering. - Jonathan Yardley
Well it looks like the 1/200 Trumpeter kit will reuse the smooth hull of the Merit Hornet kit, judging from a photo shown in a new link in the 1/200 Titanic thread in the main forum.
