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If you'll accept photos from her return home, they seem to show the same "two bracing struts painted black from the level of funnel top and Up" as the Iowa.
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Timmy C wrote:If you'll accept photos from her return home, they seem to show the same "two bracing struts painted black from the level of funnel top and Up" as the Iowa.
Was that when she had her name painted on her side for the victory review on Hudson River in New York?

She as clearly been repainted by then, with new nonstandard measure 22 that was navy blue all the way up to main deck everywhere along her length, and with both net fore and main mast painted black if I am not mistaken.
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While this may not be more than an observation, I've looked over NavSource photos, NARA photos of BB63 during the period of the Japanese Surrender and would have to say that the main mast was painted black and the foremast gray. This paint scheme seems to be constant with photos of MO up thru 1946 in Greece and even some of the 1948/1949 photos of her.

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Interestingly the photo of NJ (at Bremerton?) shows the main mast and even the stack cowl in grey. Possibly taken from the Iconic "Hammerhead Crane".
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The stack cowl on the Iowa, including the boiler exhaust and the other exhaust in the aft part of the cowl, were also painted haze gray while the ship was fitting out. It appears they were repainted black, along with the main mast, when the ship went out on trial.
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Yes that would be my guess! It's about the only photo I recall of a cowl in grey except for a newly launched ship I have seen.

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Any one know what machineguns are placed on the small platforms on the side with the life rafts on the modern Missouri?
And if you have any better pictures of them?

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25mm Bushmaster.
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InchHigh wrote:25mm Bushmaster.
Thanks for the info!
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Yes the Chain guns were placed on the platforms on the 01 level, but your photo shows the CIWS of which there were four. The Phalanx is a 20 mm gatling type weapon, radar controlled and firing a depleted uranium shell.
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I knew the Wisconsin had chain guns but I had not seen them on the Missouri before. Does anyone know which of the Iowas had them and what specific guns? I have seen mention of both 35 and 25 mm. Where were they mounted?
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Missouri had them for Operation Ernest Will in 1987. There was a shortage of these guns in the USN. They were a temporary installation and were removed so they could be installed on other ships operating in the North Arabian Sea / Persian Gulf area.
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Does anyone know of any plans or photos showing the layout of the docking blocks for an Iowa class ship?
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Hank has/had a copy of the docking plan for an Iowa, which he used to make a base for his 1:200 NJ.
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chuck wrote:Does anyone know of any plans or photos showing the layout of the docking blocks for an Iowa class ship?
I have it for the New Jersey.
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Chuck,

PM me with your email and I'll send you a copy. Note - it is not one long plan - it's chopped up just as I got it from TFD.

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Hello

I am working in some drawings for a book. I have got some questions about Missouri draft and waterline.
Missouri provisional.png
In the 80 the draft markings are more o less this, with superior waterline at 37'
bb63 proa.png
But Iowa in 1943 had the waterline superior line at 36'
marcas Iowa.jpg
Seems that Missouri don�t use marks in 1945. But, was the waterline at 36' or 37'?

By the way. What was the real level in the mark?
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Somewhere in this thread, in a time long long ago, this subject was discussed in some detail. As a note, I believe that the boot topping on the Iowa's (Which has moved around a bit, especially at present) tapers toward the stern and is not as wide there. The apparent reason for this is that there are much more "consumables" loaded forward and the bow will tend to rise more than the stern at a light loading. This is probably an intentional design as the hull has little volume aft below the waterline due to the tapering and shaft tunnel between the skegs.

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Fliger747 wrote:Somewhere in this thread, in a time long long ago, this subject was discussed in some detail. As a note, I believe that the boot topping on the Iowa's (Which has moved around a bit, especially at present) tapers toward the stern and is not as wide there. The apparent reason for this is that there are much more "consumables" loaded forward and the bow will tend to rise more than the stern at a light loading. This is probably an intentional design as the hull has little volume aft below the waterline due to the tapering and shaft tunnel between the skegs.

Good luck!
Thanks

I found these posts

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=167869&p=745384&hilit=iowa boot topping#p745384

viewtopic.php?f=47&t=4683&p=647483&hili ... ng#p647483

According these data and with constant tapering:
Missouri provisional.png
what do you think?
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