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PostPosted: Sat Feb 22, 2020 11:02 pm 
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The silver would have been the pre-war carriers and we don't know when its use was stopped, so it's possible that Hornet was commissioned with white bulkheads and overheads. It's something the modeler is going to have to decide on their own at this point as we don't even have documentation that proves silver paint, let alone orders discontinuing its use.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 23, 2020 12:29 am 
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Thanks for the feedback Tracy. Attached are a couple of photo's of the Hornet around commissioning time that I found. The overheads in both photos appear to be metal and not white. The bulkheads I'm not sure.It would be great if we could one day find the documents proving one way or the other.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 24, 2020 3:44 pm 
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If going strictly by probabilities, what would the most likely color be? The ship was ordered late and commissioned so close to wartime, that if they new there would be a transition in colors coming, they would have for sure tried to stay a step ahead and paint it via what the new regulations would require.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 25, 2020 7:11 am 
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Difficult to tell, but in the last pic I posted, the more I look at it the more I think the overheads are metal and the bulkheads are white.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 30, 2020 12:22 pm 
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HORNET WRECK PHOTOS

I now have all Hornet wreck photos taken by the Petrel. So does Martin Quinn.

As with Juneau for anyone willing to accept facts and photos there was no repainting of the hull. The island paint is pretty deteriorated or coated in crud.

If you want the photos email me.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 30, 2020 6:13 pm 
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A few stills, all courtesy of RV Petrel:
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File comment: 1.1 inch gun under forward end of flight deck
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File comment: Forward bow and hull number. Note the "scalloped" camo coming DOWN from the deck. Most modelers miss this on their Hornet models.
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File comment: Portside forward 5 inch gun tubs. Note the stripe camo on the sides of the gun tubs
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File comment: Portside forward 5 inch gun tubs. Note the stripe camo on the sides of the gun tubs
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File comment: Portside forward 5 inch gun tubs. Note the stripe camo on the sides of the gun tubs
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File comment: Note how the camo is on the aft side of the gun tub as well. This is mirrored on the starboard side
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File comment: 20mm guns on the port side hangar deck, somewhere before the break in the hull
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File comment: 20mm guns on the port side hangar deck, somewhere before the break in the hull
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PostPosted: Mon May 04, 2020 10:02 pm 
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Incredible pictures! Thanks for posting them, Martin. Hornet looks to be in great condition... :thumbs_up_1:

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Yes, considering the pounding she took, parts of her are in great shape. And all the thanks goes to Fred, for pestering Petrel for access to these! All photos courtesy of RV Petrel.

I had downloaded a few more, which I neglected to post. Here is the first batch.
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Last few....again, courtesy RV Petrel
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GMM includes these access ladders/platforms from the catwalks to the flight deck. After going through this entire thread, looking at the Maryland Silver Plans and also photos, I'm still not sure where they go. Anyone have an idea?

I want to add them to the catwalks before I go much further:
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As an aside, after reading this whole thread, I'm aghast to see just how many years this model has been kicking around. :doh_1:

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Enterprise 1940 plans alright? shows 2 of those inclined stairs on either end of the 5" gun decks. 2 of them at the forward end of the aft boat bay, 1 from the catwalk to a platform halfway down & the 2nd from that platform down to hanger deck level.


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Enterprise 1940 plans alright? shows 2 of those inclined stairs on either end of the 5" gun decks. 2 of them at the forward end of the aft boat bay, 1 from the catwalk to a platform halfway down & the 2nd from that platform down to hanger deck level.

Thanks. I'm not sure those are the same things, and I can't find my Yorktown plans. These are short inclined ladders that lead from the catwalks to a railed platform just below the deck edge.

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CV-5 – USS Yorktown – Booklet of General Plans, 1940, Yorktown Class https://www.hnsa.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/cv5.pdf


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CV-5 – USS Yorktown – Booklet of General Plans, 1940, Yorktown Class https://www.hnsa.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/cv5.pdf


Duh. Forgot about those. Thanks David.

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Well, after looking at more plans and more photos, I don't think these platforms actually exist. Not sure why they were included, but all I can find are some short vertical ladders leading up to the flight deck from the catwalks.

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http://www.navsource.org/archives/02/020857e.jpg
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did you look at the models at the bottom of the page?
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Thanks. I never trust anyone else's models for accuracy, as I don't know where they are getting their information from. I could just be repeating someone else's misinterpretation.

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Are the circled items floater nets?
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