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Pic showing item C a bit better



Pic showing the davit better (blue arrows are staghorn bollards, note to self)

Alright EJF. See my previous post; which is in the Moderator's pipeline.

All questions have now been answered, with the proviso that the purchases shown in your latest batch of photographs may be associated with another derrick and not the main derrick.

As you have identified: the blue arrows indicate staghorn bollards.

EJF

Re: My post of 8 July 10.59am

An answer to your post of 8 July 7.42am was posted but appears to have been "lost" or is still under Moderator's review. If it does not appear within 24 hours, I will post a shorter version of it as I recall writing it.

is there list and position diagram of the boats the Hood carried in 1921?

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Chuck,

Northcott's "HOOD: Design and Construction" published by Bivouac Books as an Ensign Special in 1975, carries a general arrangement profile and plan drawing of the ship as in 1920 showing the location of her boats, together with a table of the establishment of ship's boats as built in 1920. I can't copy the drawings but the boats are as follows: 2 50ft steam pinnaces, 1 45ft admiral's barge (this was steam driven), 1 42ft motor boat, 1 36ft sailing pinnace, 1 35ft fast motor boat, 4 32ft cutters, 3 30ft gigs, 2 27ft whalers and 2 16ft skiff dinghies. The date of the next list is 3 July 1931.

EJF,

It is now clear to me that my original post on the matter in question got "lost" in transfer, so as I stated I will now try to recover from memory what was in it, in reply to your post of 7.42am 8 July.

"C:" the "rope/pulley" appears to be a purchase/tackle. It is difficult to determine its exact purpose but it might be one of the working guys that were used to move the main derrick laterally when hoisting one of the boom boats in and outboard. The part to the left may be a wire rope pennant that joined the top of the purchase to the head of the main derrick thus reducing the length of the purchase itself. It was not associated with hoisting/lowering the seaboats: that was done by means of the falls; which can be seen rigged and holding the boat at the davit head. Other purchases can be seen on deck in the group of pictures in your post of 10.10am the same day. They may be associated with the main derrick or another one that was to be "worked" later.

With reference to "D." The "T" shaped fittings shown stowed inside the zareba are probably portable galley funnels. These items are to be seen frequently in other photographs of British warships of the earlier part of the 20th Century.

I had some trouble trying to determine what the "rings/hoops" are (the Royal Navy does, or did not have, "UFOs" in its stores inventory) as the whole of the object was not visible until I back-tracked to FW Allen's post of 9.56am 7 July, then it dawned on me. It is likely to be a spare, practice or ready-use lifebuoy. This is likely to have been painted dark red (possibly dark grey in war): not, please, not international orange! The "cabinet" (correctly, "locker," locked or not) and is likely to have been a stowage for the 4inch mounting's guns' crews' steel helmets.

I hope that this helps.

Hi all
Is there a definitive source ( picture /plan etc) of the Hoods funnel stay layout as in 1941? All the models /pics I have seen ( including the "Anatomy of the Ship " and the Association website) seem to have different layouts for both the upper and lower ones . Naturally they would have been changed ( or would they?) over time with refits etc, but is there an "as sunk" layout?
Also what colour were they? I've seen what appears to be hull colour and very dark (black?) Again any "as sunk" info.
Any advice would be welcome.
Cheers
Dave C

Dave C,

If there is an "as sunk" lay-out, then the details will probably be shown on any amended "as fitted" drawings; which are held in the National Maritime Museum, specifically the Historic Photographs and Ships Plan Section. Failing that I fear that you will need to use photographic interpretation.

As for what they were made of the answer is (or would have been) steel wire rope. It is difficult to be precise about the colour but those that I saw in other of HM Ships were a very dark grey; which darkened with service/ accumulation of soot to almost black. One final point that you may not be aware of, the stays were usually fitted with insulators at points in them. These were porcelain, I believe and would have been of a chocolate brown colour.

Hope this helps.

HI
I`m not really in a position to go to the NMM .so I guess its pictures and "best guess" .Maybe no one really knows for sure so I wont worry too much as long as it looks sensible! At least it looks like I`ve got the colour right!!
Thanks
Dave

I'm a longtime lurker but finally registered and my first entry is a grovelling request for help!
I'm interested in building Hood in her 1937/38 Mediterranean guise and I wondered if anyone on the forum has a list of modifications required to backdate the 1/350 Trumpeter kit to that period?
The Hood Association website has quite a few photos from this period but only being a relatively new convert to naval modelling I'm not sure of what to look for, the main differences are in the mid section superstructure and armament I think but any steer would be very much appreciated.
I have the AOTS which hasn't got many drawings specifically for that period but are there other books that would be helpful?

Dave

Backdating is quite a task. The problem is the 5.5" Secondary guns removed in 1940. Their removal led to quite a lot structural work including covering in openings and quite a few mods to the boat deck. 1938 fit is slightly easier as you can keep the pompoms and quad 0.5", and 4 of the twin 4". There is a lot of stuff out there on the Hood, but a lot contradicts other sources and you are never quite sure who is right. I also intend to build a 38 Hood but i work in 1/700 so more choice but think its going to mean buying and early and late kit and trying to bash the two together. good luck

Dave,

Re: Post of 4.36pm of 9 Oct

From what I can see, Raven and Roberts' "British Battleships of World War Two" and RA Burt's "British Battleships 1919 - 1939" appear to be the two best References concerning A's and A's effected to HMS HOOD through out her life, however, I consider that there is little in either publication regarding drawings of value to you. For those, you will have to look elsewhere.

I note that you wish to construct the model as she appeared in 1937/38 on the Mediterranean station. You will be, of course, aware that she had two minor refits in Malta at around this time viz 8 Nov to 16 Dec 1937 and 16 May to 22 June 1938. These were largely confined to the armament.

Actually scrub part of my previous post. Picked up a copy of "the Battleship Hood" by John Roberts. There are plans of the shelter/boat deck post 1940 and up to 1938 and there are massive differances in size shape and layout. Also it seems the refits in 37 and 38 added single 4" and not twin mounts as I thought. Also a lot of changes to the bridge structure in the 30s plus various directors chaged (type and position). On reflection i think it needs early an early kit for basic structure and shelter deck and later one for bridge and some AA, though more single 4" will need to be sourced. Bit of a nightmare really. Shame really because her 37 and 38 appearance was her best in my opinion, but backdating a late kit is going to be a labour of love and i would suggest the John Roberts book will be very useful.

Gcj,

Yes, I'd forgotten John Roberts' book in the "Anatomy" series: I remembered it about two hours after I'd pressed the "Submit" button on my last post: sorry! That said, one could now also add the book by a Mr Taylor (I can't remember his first name), that was published a few years back as another reference. I believe that it is good; certainly it is a big one.

I can't comment on the remainder of your post: I have never been tempted to construct a model of HMS HOOD by any method. However, back-tracking on a late appearance version of a kit of a ship to make an earlier one, certainly seems a recipe for frustration unless one is attracted by what will be the size of the result. A log of progress would be interesting to read though.

I brought some Very fine after market 3-d printed turrets for the Hood from Simon Percival aka Micromaster. I noticed the shapes Of the 4 turrets are different. I didn’t know Hood’s 4 turrets were different. Can anyone help to confirm which turret goes in which position:

2 turrets are identical.

1 other turret had chamfered lower corners on its back plate

1 Other turret had bevel rear corner for its range finder ears.

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A Chamfered range finders
B back plate chamfered
X/Y rest

Chuck,

Will your model of the ship be after the appendages to "X" gunhouse were added for the projected fitting of the aircraft catapult?
If so those will need to be added as I surmise that they are not present on what you bought.

I am building the Hood as completed in 1921. She will have fly off platforms on B and X turrets.

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Noted. Thank you.

I am trying to find some Detailed information aBout Hood’s fittings and color in 1921:

1. Were there stanchions on the secondary 5.5 inch deck supporting the boat deck above? In 1921 the boat deck appears to be parred back compared to later. I want to know whether stanchions seem in later photos were added when the boat deck was extended over the former 5.r inch position, or were they installed right form the beginning

2. Were the doors on deck house between the rows of 5.5 inch guns Normal water tight Doors with dogs, or just plain doors?

3. In a photos from the early 1930s the bulkheads Seen through the embrasures for the 2 forward Most 5.5 inch guns appears to be painted white. Were these painted white on 1921? Were the deck house betweem the midship rows of 5.5 inch Also painted white?

4. Is the underside of the boat deck above the 5.5. Inch battery painter white or hull color?

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