Calling all USS Nevada BB-36 and USS Oklahoma BB-37 fans

[taskforce48]

Would like to solicit the advice of the board on the following schematic. Looking at all of the available images of the Nevada just after the attack, I have developed this design of the bridge. Do I have the fittings called out correctly? I used the GP's of the Oklahoma, but used photographs and the Nevada's Damage report to model the differences between the sisters.



Thoughts?

Matt

[taskforce48]

And here is Oklahoma-

[taskforce48]

I have also done a 3D mock up of the differences in their funnels using GP's, Images and Film.



Matt

[Jeff Sharp]

Hi Matt,
Looks very nice. Notice the rounded edges on the backside of Nevada�s MG platform around the searchlights.

[taskforce48]

Great catch Jeff! Is that also the range finder clock bracket I spy still in place?

Matt

[Jeff Sharp]

Yes, that is correct. Both masts still had them there.

[Jeff Sharp]

When USS Oklahoma first received her degaussing cables at the end of 1940 they were routed on the outside of her hull as seen in this line drawing http://www.navsource.org/archives/01/013751.jpg
and this photo of her at Puget Sound http://www.navsource.org/archives/01/013701.jpg

Sometime between that photograph and the attack on Pearl those cable were removed from her hull and placed on her decks along the edge under the railing. If I recall right, the 1/700 kits of Oklahoma have the degaussing cables attached to the hull which would be incorrect if you are building her as she appeared on 12/7/41.
Here is a couple of shots of those cables on her decks.
This one shows where the cable enters the upper deck to transition down to the main deck.


This one shows the cables traveling along the edge of the main deck.

[SeanF]

Any idea when the degaussing cable was moved? Might it have still been on the hull during her Ms. 1 days, or would it have been removed prior to that?

(I've decided to sidestep a lot of the "day of" controversies and model all my Pearl Harbor fleet as "Late 1941 fit;" i.e. my Arizona is portrayed at sea, in 5-D, and carrying her floatplanes. The cable adds more visual interest to the Oklahoma and I'd prefer to use it, if it can be justified.)

- Sean F.

[Jeff Sharp]

HI Sean,
Good question. Im not sure when the switch took place. These two pics of Oklahoma in MS-1/5 clearly shows no degaussing cable on the hull.

[SeanF]

Shoot, pretty well seals that case, I think. I'd say it can be reasonably conclude that the cables were repositioned by the time the range clocks were removed. Still possible they were on the Ms. 1 hull prior to the clock removal, but my build series is post-clocks. So much for that one!

Another question: As can be seen in immediate post-attack photos and that great color (or colorized) photo of Nevada from a page back, all her hull portholes forward and below the bow casemate enclosures were very cleanly deleted. (Compare against 1940 and earlier photos where she has a pretty good amount of them up front) Is there any indication of similar removal on Oklahoma? Thus far, the photos I've found are either too dark or distant, or it's righted wreck photos that are rough from the fouling and just not at the correct angle to pick up that kind of detail among the grime.

- Sean F.

[MartinJQuinn]

Any idea when the degaussing cable was moved? Might it have still been on the hull during her Ms. 1 days, or would it have been removed prior to that?

(I've decided to sidestep a lot of the "day of" controversies and model all my Pearl Harbor fleet as "Late 1941 fit;" i.e. my Arizona is portrayed at sea, in 5-D, and carrying her floatplanes. The cable adds more visual interest to the Oklahoma and I'd prefer to use it, if it can be justified.)

- Sean F.

Of course, I went through the trouble of adding a degaussing cable to my 1/350 Okie hull, only to find out it was relocated.

[taskforce48]

It�s ok Martin, you are just building her as she was repainted the day before they moved the cables just to keep the sailors busy doing touch ups

Beautiful looking build by the way! Can�t wait to see her done.

Matt

[Jeff Sharp]

I feel your pain Martin! I have 2 completed kits with the cables on the hull. Should be an easy fix though.

[MartinJQuinn]

I'm going with Matt's theory...

[taskforce48]

Came across this beautiful picture of the Nevada on a Facebook group. Did not markdown the origin before it disappeared into social media oblivion. Very rare and fairly decent resolution shot looking down.



Matt

[DougC]

Appears orthochromatic film was used.

[Jeff Sharp]

Hi Matt,
That is a beautiful pic! Thanks for posting it. Notice also the different deck colors on the superstructure compared to the main mast decks.

[gms]

Thanks for posting the photo, Matt.

[SeanF]

Could anyone share or point me toward a picture or drawing that shows the routing for Nevada's avgas pipe in her pre-1942 fit? I've found a couple hints of it along the port side of the hull but haven't found enough to determine the path of the whole line.

Note: I know Oklahoma had hers on the starboard and I've seen enough photos to track the whole pipe route. In post '42 refit photos, I can track Nevada's along the entire starboard (where it was evidently relocated) - and from the bits of it I see on the port side in the aforementioned pre-war photos it's clear that the routing wasn't the same-but-mirrored.

- Sean F.

[Jeff Sharp]

Although now quite the quality of Matt's pic. I think these are from the same time.