Pontosmodel 1/200 HMS Hood 1941 Detail Set

[Aop Aur]

It looks like they nearly finishes the work...or maybe not much left. I have to buy this when my dad agrees to buy me the 1/200 Hood!

Aop

[FW_Allen]

Unfortunately, we may have found another big change...this time involving the rear superstructure. If verified, it means Pontos will need to make a change to their photoetch for the rear superstructure. We need some time to verify it though. We hope to have some information very soon.

[ModelMonkey]

Time to consider a "good idea cutoff date" or the set will never be done.

[FW_Allen]

Agreed. I'm sure Kim must have a target date to get the set into production. Once that date is reached, we'll stop posting suggestions here and post them in our website's review of the kit and in the Calling All Hood Fans thread (if that's the best thread).

Hopefully there is time to incorporate this one last item though (because if verified, it affects a piece of brass they've designed).

I'm anxious to see this set. I know its going to be excellent. I only wish Pontos would do one for the 1/350 kit as well!

[Aop Aur]

Well, you could make a new thread, so it will not get very hard to find in the middle of the CASF. And yes I really agree that Pontos should make a 1/350 scale version!!! But is the trumpeter kit too bad to be used?

Aop

[Pontosmodel]

Hi All

Hello Mr Kim firstly may I thank you for your work on the Hood kit it's a great kit out of the box and your product will certainly make it a super kit!

There is one request if I may on kit part L2 the splinter shield that follows the deck edge (I did try to post an image but the file was too big!) has an external height of 5mm and an internal height of 3mm. Would it be possible to produce a replacement etched splinter shield that corrects this?

It would also help those who wish to open up the area below the forward 0.5 inch gun platforms as if the kits plastic shields were removed it would allow better access for cutting filling and filing the deck without negotiating or damaging these shields.

Thanks again and sorry I couldn't post a pic
Best wishes
Cag.

We had and have considered this L2 problem but this need too high skills even for the expert modelers.
So we concluded not added on this project.




Thank you
Keumho Kim

[Pontosmodel]

Unfortunately, we may have found another big change...this time involving the rear superstructure. If verified, it means Pontos will need to make a change to their photoetch for the rear superstructure. We need some time to verify it though. We hope to have some information very soon.

Don't worry, if we can add we just would try.
Anyway we need some information of many poles inner deck between main deck and the 1st structure.


Thank you
Keumho Kim

[Aop Aur]

Don't worry, if we can add we just would try.

I salute your attention!

Aop

[whaynes]

Kim, is there any thought to producing a 1/350 set for Hood? I have been postponing beginning this kit hoping for a Pontos update set.
Walt

[EJFoeth]

Anyway we need some information of many poles inner deck between main deck and the 1st structure.

Photographs are very rare, however, these were placed to support the cradles for the boats. If I had to take a guess, I'd take the layout of HMS Hood after her refit with the enlarged boatdeck, get the cradle positions, put two poles beneath the edges of the cradles. I added a few "on good feeling" and a few drawings...

[FW_Allen]

Kim,

The main problem with determining the exact number and position of all the pillars supporting the boat deck is that the official plans only cover up to 1937 in detail. We also have decent photos of the side batteries showing various pillars. So, we have a good idea what the two areas looked like up until that point.

From 1938 onward, its not so clear.

In late 37/early 1938, the boat deck was greatly extended and covered both side batteries. There were also changes in guns and additional splinter shield work from 1939 to 1940. As a result, they would almost certainly had to have added MORE pillars under the decks. We don't know if they removed any of the originals (I wouldn't assume so....seems logical for them to remain in place), and we also dont know exactly how many new ones were added.

You can see some of the new support pillars in photos from 1940 and 1941. You cant see every detail though (because the area is generally dark/in shade. I've attached an image collage to show what I mean.

So, I think that Evert-Jan's model photo shows many of the pillars, but that we would actually need to add a few more.

[whaynes]

Kim, I believe my previous question was lost in the multiple posts, so I shall repeat it. Does Pontos intend to produce a 1/350 Hood detail set?
Walt Haynes

[Argh1962]

Erm, why bother when the Lion ROar set is so good?

[FW_Allen]

Hi Kim,

I have some new details that I'd like to provide.

First up, is a minor/slight change to the shield and "rails" around the lower bridge (part L2). The kit is missing two depressions/lower sections of splinter shield on each side. There were two such areas to port and two such areas to starboard. These areas had been there for many years, and corresponded to where saluting cannons were once mounted. The depressions were never removed, but in 1939, when the deck was expanded aft (and outward), a railing like feature was added outboard of the shield. As a result, the rail was higher than the depressed sections. It looks a bit odd in some photos.

This is an easy fix for modellers: they can simply file down the four areas and replace the "rail" with thin wire or thin round plastic strip. Of course, you may wish to simply replace the whole shield with photoetch, or, provide the "rail" portion in photoetch. Here's a photo to show what I mean:

You can also see the depressed areas in the next photo:

Lastly, a photo showing the same features on the builders model and the ship in 1923/24. It also includes some insets from 1940.

We will have some more inputs shortly...more substantive/important ones!

[FW_Allen]

Hi Kim,

We've discovered that there were very likely changes made to Hood's rear superstructure (the "After Concentration Position/Searchlight Control Position") circa 1937. This corresponds to kit part N2.

When built, there were a series of windows which surrounded the lower rear edges of the structure. These were usually covered over with canvas...sometimes individually, sometimes with a long sheet. We see this canvas in photos up to 1936/37...but it in later photos, the area looks "smooth". We've found photos that show that the square windows appear to be gone...in there place there appears to be a couple of round port holes and maybe a door (port and starboard) and nothing to the rear. So, you want to consider modifying your photoetch for this area. Perhaps it could be modified to show some portholes, but for those who choose to think the square windows were still there, some small squares could be included and individually added?

Please see the following photos for details:

[ChrisMangion]

does anyone have any idea when this detail set will be for sale?

[FW_Allen]

Erm, why bother when the Lion ROar set is so good?

The Lion Roar set is a bit of a "mixed bag" by today's standards: It had some errors at the time of release but was otherwise a good set for the money. Its now become far less accurate and dated though. This is because a great deal more info about Hood's final configuration has been re-discovered (for such a famous ship, you'd be surprised at how sketchy/lacking some information/details are for the old 7Bs). The result is that some features that were previously thought to be correct are actually not. Mostly minor stuff, cumulatively speaking, its made the set quite dated. Also, I thought the Lion Roar set was out of production.

[Aop Aur]

If Pontos could produce 1/350 sets, I will definitely be buying! But isn't trumpeter 1/350 kit too bad? At least it looks like modellers will need to fix quite a bit even with a good PE set... For Pontos, it is up to their decision and queue anyway.

Aop

[guest]

imo a 1/350 pontos set for hms hood is not viable.
there are many sets for it now ,i can recall at least. big blue boy ,which by the way is the best of all,lion roar as mentioned earlier and several simpler sets like gold medal,white ensign and tom modelwerks

[FW_Allen]

Kim,

Have you been able to work out positions for the under-deck support pillars based on the photos we provided earlier?

What did you think of the suggested changes to the photoetch for part N2?

We have one last suggestion/correction for the photoetch: If you recall, we showed you copies of the plans for Hood's Torpedo Control Platform (the rear portion of part B6) a few months ago. You created a piece of photoetch to match those plans. The problem is, after closer review of numerous photos and films, we are confident that the actual plans are incorrect. Well, "incomplete" or "lacking" would be better terms; the plans do capture the general shape, but they fail to capture some of the undulations and projections that were present on the actual ship. If you look at the image below, you will see that it wasn't a straight angled wall (like the plans), nor was it a rounded corner (like on part B6). It was something between the two; There were some projections here and there combined with rounded and straight areas. It MAY have even risen slightly in height (though that could be an optical illusion). Please take a look and let us know what you think.

Do you have an information cut-off date? Many people are getting a bit impatient and really want to buy this detail set. So, we just want to know when we should stop sending new details (if we find any more...at this point, we are all caught up).