1/350 NRP SAGRES sail training ship (quite the challenge)
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Re: 1/350 NRP SAGRES sail training ship (quite the challenge)
I'm always amazed at how creatively you can use leftover PE and other parts, and I'm also amazed that how much leftovers are in your stash

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Re: 1/350 NRP SAGRES sail training ship (quite the challenge)
Same here and it can be repurposed so well to exact size!
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Re: 1/350 NRP SAGRES sail training ship (quite the challenge)
Nice progress, Jim!
Get back to you soon
Cheers
Rui
Get back to you soon
Cheers
Rui
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Re: 1/350 NRP SAGRES sail training ship (quite the challenge)
Jim
The small low "box" near the capstan is a....
Ventilator
(another one)
Cheers,
Rui
The small low "box" near the capstan is a....
Ventilator
(another one)
Cheers,
Rui
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Re: 1/350 NRP SAGRES sail training ship (quite the challenge)
Nice to see you are using old-tech PEsets. I have been buying first generation Gold Medal Models sets a conventions for a few years now as they can be really useful for structural parts and the thick stainless steel tends to avoid the carpet monster.
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Re: 1/350 NRP SAGRES sail training ship (quite the challenge)
Thank you all for your kind words!
this is a challenge indeed....
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Now then... if there are masts --there is string !
and the ' string'--halyards, lifts, braces, sheets, hauls in and out etc etc--all these need and have a ' tail ...
ergo ==> rope coils at the end of every belaying point
I did this in 1/700 on Bretagne... and it gives a fair impression.

but in double the scale it needs a bit more detail
I added the simulation of the bar that holds the turning blocks
for the halyards to go to the belaying pins
In real life....
these bars are separately mounted slightly inboard
-- but 350 times smaller--and with the space requirements for handling in model format
--and the fact that my pin-rail legs are a little over-scale...
and that the real life the bar is approx only ca 120 mm or so distant from the leg
( in 1/350 = 0.34 mm )-- so its a permissible compromise in my view ....
making the 100 plus rope coils is a tedious business--
-wrapping copper wire around 2 x drill shanks taped together, compressing them, shaping etc etc
the success / wastage rate is around 50/50
once attached to the pin rail...it looked somewhat better!-
(-the rope coils are the devil to hold secure to paint )
so nothing much new to come for the foreseeable time--
as there is nothing but rope coils in my life.......
this is a challenge indeed....
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Now then... if there are masts --there is string !
and the ' string'--halyards, lifts, braces, sheets, hauls in and out etc etc--all these need and have a ' tail ...
ergo ==> rope coils at the end of every belaying point
I did this in 1/700 on Bretagne... and it gives a fair impression.
but in double the scale it needs a bit more detail
I added the simulation of the bar that holds the turning blocks
for the halyards to go to the belaying pins
In real life....
these bars are separately mounted slightly inboard
-- but 350 times smaller--and with the space requirements for handling in model format
--and the fact that my pin-rail legs are a little over-scale...
and that the real life the bar is approx only ca 120 mm or so distant from the leg
( in 1/350 = 0.34 mm )-- so its a permissible compromise in my view ....
making the 100 plus rope coils is a tedious business--
-wrapping copper wire around 2 x drill shanks taped together, compressing them, shaping etc etc
the success / wastage rate is around 50/50
once attached to the pin rail...it looked somewhat better!-
(-the rope coils are the devil to hold secure to paint )
so nothing much new to come for the foreseeable time--
as there is nothing but rope coils in my life.......
....I buy them at three times the speed I build 'em.... will I live long enough to empty my stash...?
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Re: 1/350 NRP SAGRES sail training ship (quite the challenge)
It's amazing what you're doing with all that rope.
Your attention to detail is truly admirable.
Your attention to detail is truly admirable.
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Re: 1/350 NRP SAGRES sail training ship (quite the challenge)
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Re: 1/350 NRP SAGRES sail training ship (quite the challenge)
Arrgghh.
That is more than "incontheivable"!
Amazing and outstanding work and dedication, Jim!
That is more than "incontheivable"!
Amazing and outstanding work and dedication, Jim!
AKA "Doc Bear" (a bear of very little brain ...)
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Re: 1/350 NRP SAGRES sail training ship (quite the challenge)
Brilliant job, Jim!
Cheers,
Rui
Cheers,
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Re: 1/350 NRP SAGRES sail training ship (quite the challenge)
Another masterpiece in the making.
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Re: 1/350 NRP SAGRES sail training ship (quite the challenge)
hello all--I am back at the Bench
1 weeks holiday in Madeira and then 14 days plus suffering with food poisoning and its consequence( airport food?)
as well as general malaise have conspired to slow progress--
but not completely!!!
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Sailing ships( and steamers !) in rough weather and big seas could ship lots wateriin main deck-
( note the lifelines spanning that deck--crew can clip on whilst transiting fore and aft...(!!)
-this tonnage of water must be gotten rid of quickly -- or stability can be impaired --hence ships are fitted with scupper drain lids
This top hinged lids allow the water to escape from both sides--important in a rolling sea
I had carved off the moulded lids off my hull along with everything else right at the start
( they were too small-- and at the wrong angles! )
Replacement was harder--I searched through my entire stash of PE for something suitable ==> x 14 !
( plus spares for mis-cuts and, dropped etc)
Nothing and more of Nothing !!
except ........
a 20 + year old PE fret- 1/350 -L'Arseneal Liberty ship--- the somewhat overscale treads of
the boarding companionway were perfect --and plenty of them
These will be affixed shortly!
the gargantuan " Big Vent" above the engine room flummoxed me
Not owning a lathe I was unable to create the right shape and be sharp and edgey( its only ca 5.5 mm high) ****
I had these designed and 3-D printed for me by a kind French friend....
seen here under-coated.
**** They were printed in steps of 5% and 10 % so as to give latitude in exact size!
I subsequently drilled out the centres on my mini-pillar drill
The figure head also again flummoxed me!
carving or adapting a ' proper ' figure ( as on 1/700 Bretagne ) was easier than
trying to make a stylised and semi-abstract figure--which has in its right-hand a rolled scroll !!
I had this figure-head designed and 3-D printed for me-again- by a kind French friend....
it is seen here attached with test fitting of the bowsprit
It till needs a bit more work to fair it in
T 2 x he anchors were large 1/700 PE items--fattened with sprue and white glue. T
The hawse-pipe opening surrounds were made of wire and slightly ' ovalled'
I stared work on the 2 x 27 ft whalers. these are broadly RN pattern
The best I could buy wee from Micromaster of New Zealand.
But these very fine 3-D prints have a different fit to those aboard rge Sagres ;
so needed work to adapt successfully !
More soon..... ( PE and decals et al! )
1 weeks holiday in Madeira and then 14 days plus suffering with food poisoning and its consequence( airport food?)
as well as general malaise have conspired to slow progress--
but not completely!!!
=================================================================================
Sailing ships( and steamers !) in rough weather and big seas could ship lots wateriin main deck-
( note the lifelines spanning that deck--crew can clip on whilst transiting fore and aft...(!!)
-this tonnage of water must be gotten rid of quickly -- or stability can be impaired --hence ships are fitted with scupper drain lids
This top hinged lids allow the water to escape from both sides--important in a rolling sea
I had carved off the moulded lids off my hull along with everything else right at the start
( they were too small-- and at the wrong angles! )
Replacement was harder--I searched through my entire stash of PE for something suitable ==> x 14 !
( plus spares for mis-cuts and, dropped etc)
Nothing and more of Nothing !!
except ........
a 20 + year old PE fret- 1/350 -L'Arseneal Liberty ship--- the somewhat overscale treads of
the boarding companionway were perfect --and plenty of them
These will be affixed shortly!
the gargantuan " Big Vent" above the engine room flummoxed me
Not owning a lathe I was unable to create the right shape and be sharp and edgey( its only ca 5.5 mm high) ****
I had these designed and 3-D printed for me by a kind French friend....
seen here under-coated.
**** They were printed in steps of 5% and 10 % so as to give latitude in exact size!
I subsequently drilled out the centres on my mini-pillar drill
The figure head also again flummoxed me!
carving or adapting a ' proper ' figure ( as on 1/700 Bretagne ) was easier than
trying to make a stylised and semi-abstract figure--which has in its right-hand a rolled scroll !!
I had this figure-head designed and 3-D printed for me-again- by a kind French friend....
it is seen here attached with test fitting of the bowsprit
It till needs a bit more work to fair it in
T 2 x he anchors were large 1/700 PE items--fattened with sprue and white glue. T
The hawse-pipe opening surrounds were made of wire and slightly ' ovalled'
I stared work on the 2 x 27 ft whalers. these are broadly RN pattern
The best I could buy wee from Micromaster of New Zealand.
But these very fine 3-D prints have a different fit to those aboard rge Sagres ;
so needed work to adapt successfully !
More soon..... ( PE and decals et al! )
....I buy them at three times the speed I build 'em.... will I live long enough to empty my stash...?
http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... index.html
IPMS UK SIG (special interest group) www.finewaterline.com
http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... index.html
IPMS UK SIG (special interest group) www.finewaterline.com
- Frank Spahr
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Re: 1/350 NRP SAGRES sail training ship (quite the challenge)
Too bad to hear about your health, I hope you are back to normal now!
Again, this is outstanding and extremely dedicated work up each and every single subassembly!
Best regards
Frank
Again, this is outstanding and extremely dedicated work up each and every single subassembly!
Best regards
Frank
AKA "Doc Bear" (a bear of very little brain ...)
VMF'06 - German Gamblers
Veritable Modelling Friends 2006, Germany
VMF'06 - German Gamblers
Veritable Modelling Friends 2006, Germany