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I only know the following, cropped from Steve's Warship Pictorial. Too fuzzy to see any shields there. I'm sure there are better and more images out there ...amiers wrote:i dont recall ever seeing 20mm with shields on Bismarck.? is there any pictures Olaf?
Totally missed that...Looks easy enough to scratch.
Thanks for the help Olaf. The paint scheme I am going for is how Bismarck looked in the battle of the Denmark strait. Im not locked into any particular brand of paints (I actually use Tamiya most of the time instead of MM but they are real limited in their color selection) so switching isn't out of the question if I'm able to get more correct colors. Do you happen to have the name of a company with a better selection of paints for the kriegsmarine, and a list of correct paints for that company? I'm also not familiar with the term "Boot topping" is that the water line?Olaf Held wrote:RLM is for the wingy things anyway - which is not a bad thing if you trust your eye-balling abilities:
I don't have a specific list, if it should look 'right', take the lightest grey you can find for the superstructure, then for the hull a nice medium grey with a subtle hint of blue in it (it doesn't hurt if not, the only thing to take care for is that the superstructure is distinctively lighter than the hull). A very dark grey (NOT black!) for the boot topping (7mm in width on a 1/350 model, 3.5mm in 1/700!) and the very same dark grey for the steel decks. If you're doing your model in the Baltic camouflage, you need a dark grey (which is lighter than the grey for the decks) for the bow, the stern, turret tops (sloped and horizontal surfaces or horizontal only), bridge roof, rangefinder roofs, hangar roofs (depending on time frame). So, you need at least four types of grey. If you apply scale effect, and doing the Baltic camouflage, you need six types of grey (lighter than the lightest (HA!) for the white stripes, and darker than the darkest (but not black) for the black stripes.
I know this is not the list you were asking for, but I'm not familiar enough anymore with MM as I switched to Revell's Aquacolors. Hope this helps anyway ... if not, there are aftermarket companies selling Kriegsmarine colours ...
Happy painting ~ Olaf!
This one is an ooopsie, in reality this paint was used for the dark grey turret tops and bridge roofs, etc.BobaFettSlave_1 wrote:Steel Decks: DUNKELGRAU 2 (Dark Grey #2) KM06
Yes, they are clearly visible in photos (Wiper Pictorial, Kaiser books) ...MartinJQuinn wrote: Was margin planking used around the superstructure?
Yes Lion Roar set for Revell kit has the rails.Lacoy 24 wrote:Does anyone know if any of the current PE offerings for the 1/350 Revell Bismarck include the stack handrails? I have yet to find any. If not, any good ideas on how to construct some would be appreciated. I thought about using some spare PE ladders and removing the rail on one side, but i'm not sure how well this would work. Thanks for any help!
I got the WEM paints in for the boot topping and the top of the turrets and bridge roofs(still waiting on the rest). Something the odd thing I seeing from the comparing all the can tops is that the Dunkelgrau 2 looks to be more of a charcoal black grey and looks like it might be slightly darker in color while the Sciffsbodenfarbe III Grau 1 looks more like a very dark blue grey and looks like it might be slightly lighter in color, its hard to tell. Would the boot topping have been lighter or more blue in color than the turret tops? It just seems odd that the boot topping would be more of a dark blue especially when the false bow is painted on I'm thinking it might make the false bow appear darker than the boot topping. I can post a picture of the can tops if you'd likeOlaf Held wrote:This one is an ooopsie, in reality this paint was used for the dark grey turret tops and bridge roofs, etc.BobaFettSlave_1 wrote:Steel Decks: DUNKELGRAU 2 (Dark Grey #2) KM06
Read my post(s) here and on the previous pages again, the paint used for the steel decks looked the same as the one for the boot-topping. The ingredients varied from one to the other, but they were mixed to match RAL 7016, an anthracite grey. This information comes from the 1941 and 1944 KM paint regulation (Allgemeine Baubestimmung Nr. 31) and of course their former editions, which I don't have, I only have copies of the latter.
I used WEM paints before, but in order to keep domestic harmony in balance, I switched to the Revell Aquas.
If using WEM (or other makes), keep in mind, these are "scale 1/1" paints. If you want to apply scale effect to your 1/700 or 1/350 or 1/whatever model, you would need to lighten them down a bit.
Happy painting ~ Olaf!
Sorry Olaf, I was trying to describe the dark grey paint on the bow. I'll have to paint the Schiffsbodenfarbe III Grau 1 and Dunkelgrau 2 on a card next to each other to see what they look like on top of one another, the shade is just to similar to go off of the can tops alone. I'll order a few cans of that AR G 08 Anthrazitgrau to compare with those as well.Olaf Held wrote:Hi Dana ~ The paint for the boot-topping and steel decks should be darker than the one for the turret tops, bridge roofs and dark bow/stern. Do an image search for RAL 7016 and RAL 7024.
Look at photos of the ships in Baltic camouflage, the dark bow/stern appears much lighter than the boot-topping.
The WEM Schiffsbodenfarbe III Grau 1 I had (I had two tins) had a greenish-blueish appearance. Maybe I didn't stirr them well enough. Very odd to paint this on decks as well.
Try to get their WE Colour AR G 08 Anthrazitgrau (RAL 7016) from their German Armour range of paints. This one is a very nice anthracite grey and closer to the real thing!
The black stripes were indeed black. If you look at Bismarck wreck photos, it's clearly visible that they are darker than the boot-topping, and they reach about half way down the broad band.
What do you mean with 'false bow' paint? The false bow wave or the dark grey bow (and stern)? This should be Dunkelgrau 2 as well.
Happy painting ~ Olaf!
