To HMS Victory and beyond

[marijn van gils]

That's quite a difference indeed!

Great work as always!

[dafi]

Thank you Marijn.

And then was time for some dafinition of the details.

Next was to put some primer to see the new rigols.



Both guns and first window - still has to be improved ...



Also the cases for the hammocks were redone.



XXXDAn

[dafi]

Final spurt for the 1920 Slice.

Prepared the bolts for the irons.



Double-Twin-Spin-Technology, first the diameter and then the hight of the head.



Then toothpicked the wrong holes of the deadeyes ...



... fixed, marked, center punched and drilled ...



... and grooved.



Tried different window settings.



Got the irons, tinkered on and finally ...



... got it done

















Still have to smoothen a lot to be prepared for color.

And here the update of the nice comparison: Just a mere 100 years apart



XXXDAn

[JIM BAUMANN]

outoutageously amazing!!!

lovely contrasts!


JB

[dafi]

Thanks Jim

Not 1920 but�a lot earlier, but quite nice as a picture
Me thinks ...



XXXDAn

[JIM BAUMANN]

Ahoi Dafi !

whilst this may not be of interest to you...

it could be interesting to other 1/100 scale Victory builders..(?)

tschuess
JB

http://members.boardhost.com/Warship/ms ... 74290.html

http://members.boardhost.com/Warship/ms ... 75467.html

[Bill Code]

Dafi, I am doing Victory's rudder chains ... Using your example on page 27 of this build... I have some brass chain that is 21 links per inch and this looks a litttle too small for this build... The chain you used on page 27 , how many links per inch do you think it is ??

[dafi]

Thank you for the link Jim.

Hello Bill, need to have a look.

And my 1920 slice is moving towards the finishing line.









And some small comparison, the look of 1765



Look of 1805



Look of 1920







And some details







Cheers, DAniel

[Goodwood]

Hiya Daniel!

In return for all your hard work (and the pretty pictures), I've decided to torture you and every other HMS Victory fan out there, by making you watch some dude on the Internet massacre the old Revell 1/225 kit for an hour.

If you can watch the whole thing without wanting to throw up, you'll earn the Goodwood Prize.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZ1UWmKYKSM

P.S., to make it easier, watch at double speed.

[Nino]

Thank you for the link Jim.


And some small comparison, the look of 1765



Look of 1805



Look of 1920




Cheers, DAniel

Daniel,
Thank You for that Victory History thru Pictures of your models.

As always, fantastic work.

Nino

[marijn van gils]

Fantastic Daniel!

That version would make for a very interesting full model too! Didn't you start one?

[dafi]

Yes, I actually did and it will be quite surprising in a lot of aspects

Ok time to go back to THE Vic, 21 Oktober 9:17 o�clock in the morning.

The base are the Turner drawings done after Trafalgar and the model SLR0513 (Victory (?)/Boyne 1810 - https://www.segelschiffsmodellbau.com/t ... m-NMM.html) and some other sources from the time of 1800 to 1805.



First the new build forecastle barricade, with the openings for the timberheads.



and the rough state is done



XXXDAn

[marijn van gils]

Looks great Dafi!
I love your Victory 'slices'!


Any reason you chose to have the timberhead openings closer to the top of the barricade than to the bottom? I noticed that you 'draw' them on the rough plastic sheet with the bottom equal to the gun ports?
Just curious, as I have been looking around for these openings on period models and plans (also for the French 74) and there seems to have been a lot of variation in their configuration.

[dafi]

Thanks Marijn,

yes endless variations

I opted first for the solution of the model SLR0513 that has the openings on the bottom. Then I realised, that most plans and models show them more on the up side, as sometimes they were even open, if the handrail was omitted. Best to be seen on the plans of HMS Dreadnought 1801.

https://collections.rmg.co.uk/collectio ... 79987.html

Cheers, Daniel

[marijn van gils]

Thanks Dafi!

Yes, and also their amount and lateral position seems to vary a lot. Sometimes even combined with the gun ports...

Like Donald McNarry wrote: 'if no definite information is available, this also means that no one can tell you built something wrong, but this is rarely of any consolation.'

[dafi]

Ok, time for some heretic thoughts.

After some great basic work from Maik.L in our german forum analyzing the Turner drawings I tried those thought digitally on my small slice.
https://www.segelschiffsmodellbau.com/t ... #msg155257
Important: This is not about the shade, this is only about the width of the stripes.

First the classical V1, as to be seen our days in Portsmouth.



AsTurner saw and drew the ship before and after Trafalgar. Those scribbles are difficult to evaluate, bat they give some interesting hints.

As there are in his drawings and paintings no signs of the black checkers after Trafalgar, that leads to V2



In most of Turner�s drawings and paintings the yellow stripes appears larger than the black one that gives V3



Without the checker V4



And if the hinges were painted too, that would give V5



So if you want to crucify me now, you may.

Whistling greetings, XXXDAn

PS
... and please remember only one cross each, please.

[Bill Livingston]

Hi Dafi,

Not going to crucify you... and your colour is getting closer!

And yes, I know this was more to do with the width of the stripes rather than colour, but still... and you have options for gun door colours as well... so apologies, but hopefully this will help others, not quite so well versed as you are with regard to Victory.

This is Victory today... the colours have been arrived at by sampling the actual paint at the time of Trafalgar... there was even burnt paint, found from 1805, so pretty much confirms this was the correct layer!.

The masts, if you notice, were a pale cream, with the light 'terracotta' stripes on the hull.

Even the red of the gunports was analysed, so I would feel pretty confident that if anyone wanted to build a Victory at the time of Trafalgar, this is the closest you will ever get in terms of authenticity when it comes to colour.

There is a video available which shows the analysis and the results... very well worthwhile taking a look...

When I first saw Victory, shortly after the terracotta was painted, I struggled a bit... I was so used to seeing Victory in yellow and black, and this scheme looks muted and quite dull in comparison. Now, having got used to the idea, I think she looks fabulous in her now correct colours and everything else now looks garish...

She seems to have an 'authority' now...

[dafi]

Thank you Bill!

As long as I still keep gathering the input for 1805, I kept working on the version of 1765 to 1788 (great repair) or 1797 (decommissioned).

Luckily I did 2 slices in the old and long forgotten days .



One was fitted with deadeyes and chains, but proved to have some inaccuracies, that is why I decided to keep on working on the other one.

First came the frieze. First the base with the medium color then the shadows and the highlights.



One can see that the chain board was removed. was atop the whales and not on them. The good thing on the painting technic that I use is, that repairs can be nicely done.
First the priming with the classical small pots from Humbrol/Revell.

The 2 shades of brown with the casein paint and blended with the mostly dry brush. As the knees will be on the same place, I took it easy on that part



Replaced the chain boards and gave it a new color suiting the 1765 model.



As it was too easy until now, I decided to open one gun port. So back to the heavy machines do dig deep ...



... cleared the back too ...



... and faked the inside boards.



Yes I mean faked ...



Also the port with the half lids was updated.



And then some paint and the reason for the opening. The model shows an interesting color scheme for the middle deck: White insides of the ports with a red rabbet.




Cheers, Daniel

[Thomas E. Johnson]

I�ll have to look into those 3D printed parts for my model, for when I ever get to build it.

[dafi]

Slow progress ...

Next came the frieze:

3 colors ...



... first the middle one ...



... then into darkness they dwell ...



... then come the highlights ...



... gonna be fine enough

The same way the cherub was done.



Then tried some shading for the bronze guns.



The huibrol bronze was the first test. Some brown already helps a lot



From the museums one knows green or polished in brass-look. But how did they look in real life when in use?



Questionmarks!!!

XXXDAn