Calling all Russian submarine fans

[Kagou]

Hi guys

I'm looking for the 1/700 OKB Echo II instructions .

this kit have lot of PE and I don't know for 2-3 pieces .

Thx

Pierre

[Kagou]

Polar Bear's kits received yesterday

Boris is really back

BR

Pierre

[krgf15]

Outstanding! any warping?

[Kagou]

No warping , only a broken rear bow plane but the break is clear , easy to repair

Boris packaging is OK , I think the problem come from french customers

I had last month a lot of exchanges with Boris , no pb to order now , I took a second order this week for my Christmas

Now I'm going to think about crawler in 1/350 .I'm not satisfied about my display in this scale .



Is Patman continued his crawler ?

Pierre

[Tom Dougherty]

The Golf kit is listed in the HB 2016 catalog on page 53:
http://tieba.baidu.com/p/4193056672
So far, that Golf kit has been vapor wear for the past 3 years� Will next year be any different??

I also did not see any new submarine releases scheduled for this year. All of the kits are, I believe, on the market already, except for the Golf.

[mike_espo]

Would love to see a 1/350 Golf.

[Admiral John Byng]

Despy,

Some boats were 170 m while others were 173 m. The difference entirely depends on the length of the flat projection between the aft planes (what we used to call a "beaver tail" when Naval Intelligence thought it was a control surface). I wouldn't be troubled with slight issues in length when there are far more significant issues with the Hobby Boss kit, which you mentioned in your comment. I would recommend the Mikro-Mir Typhoon, which has serious problems in terms of joining the hull together, but is very accurate. Here are some very accurate plans that you can reference:

http://i.imgur.com/ZnK15U5.png
http://i.imgur.com/2NYFz4f.png
http://i.imgur.com/zVCIg1f.png

Also, if you haven't seen it, this album I made a while ago provides some good photos for model-making:

http://imgur.com/a/xi3P3

Jacob

Very nice line drawings! Wouldn't a 1/200 scale kit be great.

[Bwi]

My scratch build 1/144 Akula is becoming a real sub.....scribing of the Fwd deck is almost finished.

Grtz,
Bart

[maarten]

Hello folks,
Has anyone done a comparison between the Hobby Boss and Bronco models 1/350 Borei class models? I was looking to build one and am wondering which of the two is most correct compared to the real article.

Thanks and best regards,
Maarten

[Alexey Loginov]

Selection of models of various Russian museums.

English L-55. Koporskom sunk in the Gulf, raised, for a long time served in the Soviet Navy.







Torpedo with L-55.

[mike powell]

I believe this may be the deployed launcher for an R13, though it may be for an R-11. The boat may be a Golf class. Hoping someone can confirm the type of launcher and, if it is for R13, if it would be a similar layout for an early Hotel. A lot of "if's" and "may be's" but I'm hopeful this could be the basis for some scratch modification to Zvezda's Hotel. Also, if anyone has other information on just what a Hotel in surface launch configuration looked like, I'd like to learn of it.

Thanks in advance

[Vepr157]

Doing a reverse image search, it seems that the photo is of the D-2 launch system which corresponds to the R-13.

Here are some Russian forum threads for the Golf and Hotel where you can find lots of photos, although there is only one photo of a Hotel launching a missile that I'm aware of on those forums.

http://forums.airbase.ru/2013/04/t59990 ... a-629.html
http://forums.airbase.ru/2012/03/t69899 ... a-658.html

[mike powell]

Vepr157,

Thank you for the information on the launcher type and the links

Dear Moderator,

Thank you for correcting my misplacement of the original post.

[Tom Dougherty]

Vepr is correct, that is definitely the D-2 launch system with an R-13 missile (~350 nm range) on a Project 629 (Golf I) submarine. The nuclear powered Hotel I (Project 658) class used exactly the same launch system. The D-2/R-13 required surfacing to launch, and an elevator system raised the launcher up to the top of the sail, stabilized by the arms encircling the missile. The later D-4 with the R-21 (750 nm range) on the Project 629A and 658M was launched from 40-50 meters underwater. I have cross sectional diagrams of both the D-2 (R-13) and underwater capable D-4 (R-21) launch systems.

[mike powell]

Tom,

I've found this plan on the second site which Vepr provided above. I suspect it may be the system in question, the D2. Can you confirm that and also, if the cross-sectional you have is of greater detail could you share it? Thank you

[Vepr157]

That's the D-2 system. The original Pr. 658 Hotel I had this as built. The Pr. 658M Hotel II had the D-4 system which didn't have the elevator as it was an underwater launch system. You can easily distinguish between Hotel I and II from the outside because the Hotel I has a "bumpy" set of missile tube doors. They are completely flat on the Hotel II.

Jacob

[Tom Dougherty]

Mike,
Interesting diagram in that the missile looks to be an early guess. The R-13 does not have a step near the top. Yes, I have very high resolution diagrams that are much larger than can be posted on this site. For technical reasons, diagrams on this site must be relatively small. I have on occasion had to drastically attempt to reduce diagrams of 4-6 Mb down to the roughly 200 Kb size limit for posting here. I have spent quite a bit of time in the past adjusting sizes, and still not been able to post items, so I no longer even try. Contact me off line and I can send you directly both Golf and Golf II diagrams with the R-13 and R-21 missiles.

[Timmy C]

Tom, I'm pretty sure I've suggested this before, but have you tried Method 2 for posting photos? viewtopic.php?f=12&t=1261#p273960

[Tom Dougherty]

Mike Powell-
Please send me your correct email address. I just spent a frustrating 20 minutes trying to send you multiple files that bounce back to me.
I attempted to correct it but CoxNet assures me you don't exist in their network.

[Vepr157]

You know Tom, you could use an image hosting site like imgur and that way all of us can see the diagrams. I for one would be interested in seeing them.

Jacob