Plans for HMS Fame torpedo boat 1896

[DaveB]

Hi guys. When I first purchased the print of the HMS Fame, I did some searching online and came across a terrific PDF format on the C-class destroyers including the Fame. I thought I bookmarked it but evidently did not. I have tried countless searches for it but cannot find it again. I m-a-y decide to try Pieter's idea of transforming JB's Huszar to the Fame. This site had drawings of the deck, everything I would need to see if I would be able to perform the re-build. Would anyone have any ideas as to where I stumbled across and how to find it again? Augh!!!!

Thanks,
Dave

[Pieter]

I haven't seen a pdf on the web on the C class though I might be interested if you manage to track it down. Admiralty 'as fitted' drawings of first in class HMS Desperate (strange name, that) can be found in "The first destroyers" by David Lyon which is worth getting anyway. Early TBDs and torpedo boats were the high tech fighter aircraft of their time. Some of the text in David Lyon's book on theoretical maximum speed and 'stealth' could have been written 120 years later about the JSF.

[DaveB]

Hi Pieter! Sounds like you have already gone down the same path as I am going now. I just found this and hope it helps you. Thanks to you I did order a Huszar from JB. I don't think my work on the transformation to the Fame will be close to what any of you could do, but I hope to have fun trying!

Dave

http://books.google.com/books?id=wsJLAA ... at&f=false

[peppe]

from a russian book on first british destroyers (patianin) drawing and foto of ships of D class
ciao peppe
if you want drawings at better resolution send a message pm with your email address

[DaveB]

WOW!! Grazie, si, Peppe!! Thank you! Email on the way, sir.

Dave

The Fame was a C-class vessel. Is all this information only concerning the D-class, Peppe? Still very helpful in either case, just I would need to know which ones (if not all) are of either class so I can model the Fame as a C-class/

[PICKETBOAT]

DaveB


Glad you sourced your plans. Keep us posted on the build. What colour scheme are you aiming for? I have a black and white photo of Fame, in far east colours, in the harbour at Hong Kong. It might be of help as it shows a little deck detail, like the deck awning stored under a big white tarpaulin.
The white colour scheme is nice on these vessels. This picture of HMS Virago (at 1/48th scale) in far east colours might get you thinking.

[DaveB]

Thanks, Picketboat! Sure, any photos would be helpful if you have them handy at some point in the future!

Pieter, I will look for Mr. Lyon's book. Are you saying that it only covers the D-class boats, though? Was there a lot of visual difference (besides masting and rigging) between the two classes do you know??

Man, you really got me going on this project! My wife would like a word with you!!!

[Pieter]

The Lyon book covers all British TBDs built between 1891 and 1901. The book contains drawings and as-fitted drawings for most of them. At the time TBD's were built to individual designs by the shipyards that tendered on a relatively open admiralty specification in order to foster innovation and competition (and failed to do so off course). After building the first TBDs Havock and Hornet Yarrow dropped out of these competitions and concentrated on building for export. The JB models Huszar represent one of those export destroyers. Most destroyers built on those admiralty tenders were very similar to the Yarrow design except those built by Yarrow's great rival Thornycroft. HMS Fame was a Thornycroft design. This means a somewhat broader hull with a cruiser stern, longer and more streamlined foc'sle, two broad funnels instead of 4 and a balanced rudder. I think Peppe's drawings of Foam show the differences quite well so if your planning to do only one you may just want to use these drawings. The Lyon book may lead to too many unfinished projects...
One thing about the A, B , C, D classification, this was applied 10 to 15 years after the ships were build and does not reflect any design differences other than the number of funnels. TBD's were originally classified by their theoretical maximum speed and their builder. So HMS Fame was seen as a Thornycroft 30 knotter and and Havock a Yarrow 24 knotter.

[DaveB]

Thank you for explanation on the different classes, Pieter. I did find one of the Lyon books at an affordable price on eBay last night and it's on the way. I'll try not to let it distract me from the Fame project! I would guess widening the hull would be the most difficult step. I'd like to just open-up the center and force the sides out a tad, but with resin that will probably not work.


I'm looking forward to the project. As I said before, my abilities are not up to most of the work I see here on the forum. But, I'm going to enjoy doing the best I can. I did order and pay for the Huszar on JB's site but still haven't heard back except to get an order confirmation.

[Pieter]

We seem to have something of a theme going here. Vincent Lau has just posted a build up of HMS Taku (Fame's victim) over at the finished kits forum.

[DaveB]

Thanks, Pieter! How cool is that????

[DaveB]

Hey Pieter, received the Huszar model and am very impressed with the quality! Thanks so much for leading me to it!! Great model!!

In doing some research, it seems the Huszar was about 225ft. long but the Fame was only 210ft. I certainly realize it would be impossible to precisely and proportionately modify the Huszar's model hull to that of the Fame's. But, I should look into at least shortening the length of the Huszar somewhat? I would think maybe just removing some from the aft may even give the overall appearance of a slightly wider hull too (when standing toe-to-toe with a longer Huszar or Mode)? I hope so because widening the hull is probably out of my league. The model itself is close to 10 centimeters, so if shortening, will have to take it back a little under 1 centimeter? Am I thinking correctly on that?

After this, I'll let you go. I think I can slowly work on the other mods as best I can. It's just that this mod is a pretty major one and i wanted to double-check with an expert first.

Thank you!
Dave

[moomoon]

Hello Dave.

At 1/700 scale I'm quite sure ir would be easier for you to make your hull from scratch instead of doing some heavy surgery on the beautiful Huszar model.

Can be done in wook or styrene sheets and filller.

viewtopic.php?f=28&t=152034
http://forum.hknma.com/showthread.php?t=2088

good luck!

[DaveB]

Thank you, sir! I am currently in a job search and the modeling has been put aside for now. As soon as I straighten that out, I look forward to starting the Fame.

Thank you!
Dave