Russian SSN Disaster, 20 Dead

[Ultimo Tiger]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27609821/
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... ident.html


Proof that Russian's are physically incapable of building ships that actually work and don't massacre their own crew. Since it says "Sea Trials" I assume this is the new Srub they were building?

The Indian Navy shouldn't have bought that Carrier from them. Nothing but bad news I bet.

[Gerarddm]

Interesting. I wonder how many support ships are required to accompany the Russian flotilla to Venezuela. Shouldn't they have gotten there by now?

[Gone Asiatic]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27609821/
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... ident.html


Proof that Russian's are physically incapable of building ships that actually work and don't massacre their own crew. Since it says "Sea Trials" I assume this is the new Srub they were building?

The Indian Navy shouldn't have bought that Carrier from them. Nothing but bad news I bet.

All the world`s navies have periodic accidents.

[Gone Asiatic]

Interesting. I wonder how many support ships are required to accompany the Russian flotilla to Venezuela. Shouldn't they have gotten there by now?

I had thought they were undeway for Venezuela a while ago.

[ASFC]

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May those who died rest in peace and I hope they find the cause of the problem and fix it for the sake of the rest of their submarine crews.

[MichelB]

It is very, very sad that twenty people lost their lives. May they rest in peace.

[maccdale]

Fire supression system activated on Nerpa an Akula 2 Class boat not yet commissioned...see CNN for details.

[Gerarddm]

"Don't cheer boys... there's men dying out there".

[Dave Wooley]

It is very, very sad that twenty people lost their lives. May they rest in peace.

Especially today of all days. All sailers no matter what their nationality are brave men just doing their job.
Dave Wooley

[bengtsson]

One thing about Submarine service, when something goes wrong, there is nowhere to run to! You gotta stay and fix the problem or die. I've been on both subs and surface ships, and you always feel a little better knowing if things get bad enough you can always go overboard from a destroyer. No such luck when you are submerged, all you can do is blow main ballast and hope to get back up.
This firefighting system must be very fast acting. Every compartment should have a number of breathing points that men are trained to find blindfolded. But with shipyard workers in that compartment, there would be way more men than could hook up to the internal air points. Plus I don't know Russian practice in this regard, nor am I familiar with really modern USN systems now a days. But in my day, there were breathing points to hook up to, if memory serves me in my advancing years

Bob B.

[Walt]

I have to think that the Russians use Halon or CO2 extingushers.. How stupid.. In a controlled atmosphere using such methods is putting the equipment ahead of the human lives.. Why am I not surprised.. I'll bet they use sea water to charge their fire control systems in the Battery well.
The US Navy and I believe the RN also have always used Ansul and PKP for fires onboard boats or in the older boats where there was more than 3 compartments isolating the compartment with the fire until fire was out from lack of O2, of course that was the last course especially considering which compartment had the fire. I am a surviver of a fire in berthing on a SSBN while on Deterrent Patrol in the Barents.. Excellent crew training and procedures averted us from having to surface in Ivon's pond. We did have to emerg. ventalate through the Snorkle which was very risky..but as I'm here today it was successful. I'm surprised the French press haven't blamed the USN for this one yet.

May God Bless These Sailors as they too go on Eternal Patrol..
And my God be with their families during this difficult time.
Hand Salute .. Too

[bengtsson]

Was someone smoking in their rack Walt?

Bob B.

[chuck]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27609821/
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Proof that Russian's are physically incapable of building ships that actually work and don't massacre their own crew. Since it says "Sea Trials" I assume this is the new Srub they were building?

The Indian Navy shouldn't have bought that Carrier from them. Nothing but bad news I bet.

How many Russian ships massacred their crews??

[Walt]

Was someone smoking in their rack Walt?

Bob B.

Well he wasn't in his rack he was in the SK locker which was in enlisted berthing on a 598 Boomer.. He lost the head of his cigarette when he knocked it into the bulkhead by mistake.. He "assumed" it was out when he did not see smoke but to his surprise 5 min later 2 racks were in flames...oops! Lotsa good porn was lost in that fire but no serious injurys.

[bengtsson]

Russian Naval Sources announced today that the accident was caused by a computer glitch. Up until now, the fire suppression system on subs was launched manually on orders of the captain. The new system was computer controlled.

While I have pretty good faith in modern computer control, I don't trust the sensor systems that may have controlled this fire suppression system, the computer may function 100% but the sensors might easily be fooled into thinking a fire is in progress or fail outright. If my life is on the line, manual control would be my choice. Most crewmen know what a fire looks like, I'de trust them to know better if the crew in the compartment had cleared out as well.

Bob B.

[richter111]

I heard on the radio that one crewman was being charged with the murders

anyone else hear this?

Ric

[bengtsson]

I heard on the radio that one crewman was being charged with the murders

anyone else hear this?

Ric

Not seen that. but I'll check up on it. Sounds possible. I wanted to murder a few fellow crewmates myslef from time to time

Well, I just did a search on BBC, and that is the case, one sailor is charged with it. It's not clear though if he intended murder or is a scapegoat. But it said he manually set the system off. Reminds me of during vietnam, when some sailor threw material into the turbine casing of one of the Aircraft Carriers before deployment to WestPac. Blew the turbine blades to bits. Never know what some damn fool will do!

Bob B.