Pontosmodel 1/200 Bismarck Detail Up Set

[pvk308]

Thanks mate that's what I was thinking but wasn't sure..... I am thinking of before Norway for my model maybe when the first radar was applied ie over the top of the superstructure but haven't made my mind up

[yip88]

Hello MR Kim,

I bought the pontos basic set 23001F1 without the correction set included. As you mention earlier the correction set should be included in the advance add on set which I bought the 21001F1 the correction set is not included in it???

[kawubke]

Hello MR Kim,

I bought the pontos basic set 23001F1 without the correction set included. As you mention earlier the correction set should be included in the advance add on set which I bought the 21001F1 the correction set is not included in it???

look at Part 970 and 973 from the advanced set . These are the new parts from the correction set.

@Kim
all I can say its a great set. The Vent Louvres replacements looking absolutly stunning.

I say thank you for this very nice addition to your great Basic Set.



for those who are interested in seeing how it looks.

here a preview pic.

Regarts from Germany
Thomas

[Pontosmodel]

As mentioned before,
All correction parts and newly printed manuals are included at Add-on set.

And Thomas, it is a nice wroking process...

Thank you
Keumho Kim

[Giampiero]

Hello Kim,

I sent you the message a pm



Best regards
Giampiero

[kawubke]

Hallo to all Bismarck builders,

i found a little Error in the advanced set manual.

Part 1269 and 1271 need to be switched with part 1267 and 1268. Same on the other side with 1444 1445 and 1446 1447. proof is here:

Regards from Berlin
Thomas

[Tobori]

Did anyone here ever buy the "add on" set 21001F1? If so, is it worth $150? Are there errors in it as there was in the first basic set?
Just curious. I think the price is way too high for an add on set, but maybe someone that bought it can do a review.

[marengtech]

Did anyone here ever buy the "add on" set 21001F1? If so, is it worth $150? Are there errors in it as there was in the first basic set?
Just curious. I think the price is way too high for an add on set, but maybe someone that bought it can do a review.

I haven't started my Bismarck build yet but I've had a good look at the advanced set before purchasing and after receiving the set, there are a lot details which will enhance the look of the model. You can see what the advanced set has in this thread and on Pontos' website. Pontos' website also have pdf downloads of the advanced set instruction sheets which gives the opportunity to see what the set has to offer before spending your hard earned money.

I think the advanced set is well worth the money but as for errors I cannot comment on this but maybe someone else can enlighten us.

Cheers

[Tobori]

Thanks Gerry,
After looking at the PDF's I agree that it is a very nice set, but in my opinion nowhere near being worth $150. Even $100 is pushing it. I think I can live without it.
Good luck with your build!

[Pontosmodel]

Thanks Gerry,
After looking at the PDF's I agree that it is a very nice set, but in my opinion nowhere near being worth $150. Even $100 is pushing it. I think I can live without it.
Good luck with your build!

Yep for some, Basic set is enough for their works.

Thank you
Keumho Kim

[Guest]

So glad to see this set! Mine is here after the utter stupidity of the vendor. I did read all the comments and debating contacting the credit card company. It is CRAP because this vendor is a few hours away and shows up at a lot of our shows. They are pretty much the only option I have for all my aftermarket.

Blows......

-Jim

Yep it is a good news you've been one of this set owner finally.
Please check if there is any missed or broken parts.
Thank you
Keumho Kim

Mr Kim,

I ordered my 27001F1 set on 04 Aug. Payment was done through PayPal. Payment receipt confirmed by yourself.

I have not received any confirmation of shipment.

Please advise on the shipping detail/tracking number for this shipment.

Shipment address: DB Janse van Rensburg, P.O.Box 41344, Reyno Ridge, Witbank, Mpumalanga, South Africa, 1049.

Your assistance will be greatly appreciated.

Dawie van Rensburg

Dawie, proved as I mailed to you.

Thank you for your South African red wine

Keumho Kim

Dear Mr Kim,

I hereby confirm that I received my 27001F1 Advanced Set package on Monday 10 November. The delay was due to a 2 month post office strike in our country. I received the package in good order and your packaging of the parts were very professionally done.

However, I require your assistance in clarifying something for me - my expectation in ordering the 27001F1 Advanced Set was that this was the most complete set containing all the Pontos parts for the Bismarck 1/200 model (All the part of the Basic Set (23001F1 or 23001F2) + Add-on Set (21001F1)). I printed your instructions for the 27001F1 Detail Up Set "Advanced" (http://pontosmodel.com/html/27001f1.html) package to do a stock take of all the parts received. The <Contents> on the packaging specifies the following:

1. Stained Wooden Deck - Received
2. Scribed Brass: 318 Pcs - Received
3. Photo Etching: 15 Sheets - only 10 received. Not included were the 1/200 Advanced #1 to #5 photo etching sheets.
4. Resin Parts: 27 Pcs - Received
5. Life Tubes: 25 Pcs - Received
6. Dry Transfer: 1 Sheet - Received

Can you please clarify why I didn't receive the photo etching sheets 1/200 Advanced numbers 1 to 5.

I also did not receive the instruction pages (1) <Scribed Brass Parts : 106 Pcs (21001F1 / 318 Pcs (27001F1)> and (2), <Paravane Boom: 2 + 2 sets>, <Vent Louvres>, <Funnel Pipes> and <Resin 8m Cutter: 2 Sets>. These instruction pages are however on your web site and easy to access and print.


Your assistance in this mater will be highly appreciated.

Regards,

Dawie van Rensburg

[Dawie van Rensburg]

Mr Kim,

Thank you for the reply received via my personal email. I am looking forward to receiving the outstanding 1/200 Advanced #1 to #5 photo etching sheets as well.

I would also like to use this opportunity to thank you and your company for an outstanding product! The detail of this Advanced Upset Kit is both astonishing and intimidating.

I attached the first parts I built - the catapult, the aft mast and the main mast base in progress. The parts just fit absolutely perfect and it such a pleasure the work with. Your attention to detail during design will benefit us all - once completed this model should rate as an excellent museum replica of note!

Looking forward to the rest of the project - your contribution has added so much value to my endeavours to build an authentic model.

Regards,

Dawie van Rensburg

[Dawie van Rensburg]

Mr Kim,

I have a query on Part 223 (see attached)

Part 223 is reflected in the After Mast instruction in red and I used it for this construction.

However, in the Fore Mast instructions Part 223 is also displayed, but in blue. Any significance in this?

There is only one Part 223 on the sheet #3-3. The only other similar part is Part 187 and up to now I could not find an allocation for it. Is it therefore safe to presume that I can use Part 187 in place of Part 223 (Blue) for the Fore Mast?

Regards,

Dawie van Rensburg

[Tobori]

Has anyone actually finished building this kit?
The instructions are awful and I hope someone that has built the kit with the Pontos set can help out. Currently the catapult is giving me a hard time. The pictures are not clear and there are some discrepancies. Part 88(87) is shown one way and then when part 84(83) is shown, things don't jive. Hard to explain, but according to the pictures, the part 88 looks wrong side up, making part 84 not fit.
Anyone know what I'm talking about?

[Dawie van Rensburg]

Tobori,

I have constructed the catapult and might be able to assist.
What also initially caught me out with parts 84(83) and 88(87) is the fact that part 84(83) fits at the bottom of 88(87) as displayed after you have bent parts 88(87)! If you follow the sequence of the construction picture below the displayed parts, try the following:
1. Construct 79, 76+78 as displayed.
2. Construct 89, 77, 86, 96 and then brass 27 & 26 as displayed.
3. Attach all the brass parts for 88(87) as displayed, including 74.
4. Attach 97 to 89 as displayed.
5. Now turn 88(87) upside down and attach 84(84) to the "bottom" of 88(87). Thereafter attach 94 and 92 on top of 84(83). This is now the top side of 88(87)/84(83). But you still need to again turn 88(87)/84(83) up side down to attach 85 to the bottom.
6. When this is completed, the 88(87)/84(83)/85 combination fits into brass 26 piston of 89 by pushing the brass 28 rod into it.

The problem that I have now, is as fitted in the last picture, the catapult can't be retracted unless you shorten brass 28. I think in the final assembly I would shorten on side (port) by cutting off a piece of brass 28 and leave the starboard side as is?

Hope this helps.

Regards,

Dawie

[Tobori]

Dawie, that's exactly the problem I'm having. Very bad photos and no directions. I also figured you're not given an option to place the catapult in a non extended position. You would have to cut some brass to make it fit. For a part that is so complicated like this catapult, Pontos should have taken a little more time to describe it. Now I wonder what's to come.
Thanks for your help!

[Tobori]

Dawie,
After taking a second look at what you suggested with the actual parts in front of me, it can't be right. It doesn't seem right that you would thread any parts through part 84(83). The pistons change position during operation so they couldn't move with them going through part 84. It seems to work well without even using parts 84(83). Just look at the last picture on the sheet. It shows that area "open" It's more like they want you to put part 84 ON TOP of part 87 which also doesn't make sense. I think Pontos screwed up and just let it through like this. I can see no use for parts 84(83), unless it was for some option they they don't mention at all.

[Dawie van Rensburg]

Tobori,

I fully agree with the lack of detail and instructions, but that is the only practical way I could put everything together form the info I had. I think it also looks fine, but will still have to be modified to fit in position. Pontos instructions are mainly photos and the quality thereof is the issue for me - the more complicated pieces should have larger photo's which you should be able to blow up further for more detail without losing resolution. But what the hell, it now becomes part of the challenge to build an authentic model! I included pictures ot the completed catapult.

Enjoy the challenge .......

Dawie

[Tobori]

Hi Dawie,
But you'll still have to "thread" that piston into the other part. That can't be right. Both "halves" of the catapult should be "open" on one side for the the pistons to be able to move. They would not be able to slide back and forth if they both have "cages" on both halves. Unless it just looks like that to me. Maybe it does have and open side.
It doesn't really matter. I can't stand wasting so much time trying to figure out something that should be clear and above all "FUN". When you have to go through what we're doing, it's not fun and it certainly should not be necessary.
Thank you again for your help. Your cats look good!

[Dawie van Rensburg]

Tobori,

I don't think I am expressing myself correctly, but as you can see below, the piston does "thread" into the bottom part (as quoted previously "6. When this is completed, the 88(87)/84(83)/85 combination fits into brass 26 piston of 89 by pushing the brass 28 rod into it"). Both halves of the catapult are open, provided you "5. Now turn 88(87) upside down and attach 84(84) to the "bottom" of 88(87). Thereafter attach 94 and 92 on top of 84(83). This is now the top side of 88(87)/84(83). But you still need to again turn 88(87)/84(83) up side down to attach 85 to the bottom."
If you look at my previously posted picture 2014-11-29 09.51.02.jpg, you will see brass 28 rod standing proud through the opening. When you turn this part around, brass 28 can now slide into brass 26 piston. The picture below shows you this. However, as stated previously, the catapult is now in the fully extended position and can't move back in the the retracted position unless you shorten brass 28.

The amount of correspondence to gain some clarity on the construction method/procedure is directly related to the lack of information in the provided instructions!

Regards,

Dawie