Pomeranian Rahschlup 1846 � 1/160 scale � Baltic trader
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Pieter
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Re: Pomeranian Rahschlup 1846 � 1/160 scale � Baltic trader
Nice paint work. About acrylic paint drying too fast, all marks of acrylic paint offer a 'retarder' that makes the paint dry slower without attacking the piant layer below it. Acrylic 'thinners' do attack older paint layers which can be useful sometimes, for weathering for example or for doing carrier decks. I used acrylic thinner on my HMS Glory.
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Re: Pomeranian Rahschlup 1846 � 1/160 scale � Baltic trader
Thanks, I am aware of 'retarders', but I have actually never used them, as the fast drying in most cases is a desirable property.
The Vallejo and Schmincke acrylics that I am using just require water for thinning. Other brands may use a mixture of water and alcohol as solvents and then one can use alcohol for thinning. Using an incompatable solvent for thinning can lead to a breakdown of the acrylic emulsions and coagulation. Acrylics using alcohol as solvent are likely to dry even faster.
The Vallejo and Schmincke acrylics that I am using just require water for thinning. Other brands may use a mixture of water and alcohol as solvents and then one can use alcohol for thinning. Using an incompatable solvent for thinning can lead to a breakdown of the acrylic emulsions and coagulation. Acrylics using alcohol as solvent are likely to dry even faster.
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Re: Pomeranian Rahschlup 1846 � 1/160 scale � Baltic trader
Great job on the paintwork Eberhart! Especially the striping; not easy in this scale...
Another paint type that I find very useful for brush-applied basecoats that need adjusting (like the stripes or the stern carvings) is enamel. I always liked Humbroll, but with all the formula changes I prefer Revell nowadays.
Just like gouache, it can be removed or 'pushed around' with a damp brush (but white spirit instead of water of course) after application. But not forever like gouache, so it is best to apply a small area, adjust with the damp brush, paint the next area etc.
The main advantages over gouache: it is waterproof, so it doesn't need a protective coat, and it is easier to obtain a smooth surface.
I have also found that for detail painting, one of the most important factors is the quality of the brush. So far, I haven't found anything better than the Winsor & Newton series 7. Expensive, but such a joy to paint with...
When applying thin and long decals, it can help to cut them in shorter sections and apply those one at a time. Of course, that can make it a bit more difficult to make the line perfectly follow the curve of the sheerline without any minor kinks, which is really important for these lines.
I'm looking forward to the next steps!
Another paint type that I find very useful for brush-applied basecoats that need adjusting (like the stripes or the stern carvings) is enamel. I always liked Humbroll, but with all the formula changes I prefer Revell nowadays.
Just like gouache, it can be removed or 'pushed around' with a damp brush (but white spirit instead of water of course) after application. But not forever like gouache, so it is best to apply a small area, adjust with the damp brush, paint the next area etc.
The main advantages over gouache: it is waterproof, so it doesn't need a protective coat, and it is easier to obtain a smooth surface.
I have also found that for detail painting, one of the most important factors is the quality of the brush. So far, I haven't found anything better than the Winsor & Newton series 7. Expensive, but such a joy to paint with...
When applying thin and long decals, it can help to cut them in shorter sections and apply those one at a time. Of course, that can make it a bit more difficult to make the line perfectly follow the curve of the sheerline without any minor kinks, which is really important for these lines.
I'm looking forward to the next steps!
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Re: Pomeranian Rahschlup 1846 � 1/160 scale � Baltic trader
Thanks, Marijn,
Indeed, enamels would have been an option, I still have a box full of decade old Humbrol tins. As I always stored them upside-down, they may be still good. However, I never liked the mess of cleaning brushes with them too much, even though I discovered early on in my life, that washing powder meant for wool (the German 'Rei') works very well and saves on expensive thinners.
The other option I had in the back of my mind was oils, but their long drying times is a drawback, also it can be shortened by using turpentine instead of lineseed oil as medium.
Good brushes help indeed. Unfortunately, sable-brushes are ruined quite quickly by acrylics and are not recommended. I usually use the Da Vinci brand synthetics. Buying brushes is another matter. Even in shops one often finds that they are already damaged.
Indeed, enamels would have been an option, I still have a box full of decade old Humbrol tins. As I always stored them upside-down, they may be still good. However, I never liked the mess of cleaning brushes with them too much, even though I discovered early on in my life, that washing powder meant for wool (the German 'Rei') works very well and saves on expensive thinners.
The other option I had in the back of my mind was oils, but their long drying times is a drawback, also it can be shortened by using turpentine instead of lineseed oil as medium.
Good brushes help indeed. Unfortunately, sable-brushes are ruined quite quickly by acrylics and are not recommended. I usually use the Da Vinci brand synthetics. Buying brushes is another matter. Even in shops one often finds that they are already damaged.
Eberhard
Former chairman Arbeitskreis historischer Schiffbau e.V. (German Association for Shipbuilding History)
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Re: Pomeranian Rahschlup 1846 � 1/160 scale � Baltic trader
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Looking nice!-- I also loathe masking for its--in my hands anyhow--lack of precision !
I think you may obtain a sharper definition / demarcation of the white lines using thin decal striping
images below are from the 170 mm loa model of 1891 HMS Hood


Looking nice!-- I also loathe masking for its--in my hands anyhow--lack of precision !
I think you may obtain a sharper definition / demarcation of the white lines using thin decal striping
images below are from the 170 mm loa model of 1891 HMS Hood

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Re: Pomeranian Rahschlup 1846 � 1/160 scale � Baltic trader
Jim, I would have indeed used decal strips (as I did on SMS WESPE), if the colour didn't need to go around the edge of the wale. OK, perhaps a white decal strip and then painting over it and the edge ... I could still do that.
Eberhard
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Re: Pomeranian Rahschlup 1846 � 1/160 scale � Baltic trader
Some more deck details
There were some deck details of which the location puzzled me a bit. These included the down-pipes into the chain-locker for the anchor-chains (to be discussed later), the chimney(s) for the stove(s) in the crew- and captain’s quarters, the mandatory drinking-water barrel, and to some extent the bilge-pump (also to be discussed later).
Chimney
By the middle of the 19th century small cast-iron stoves were in common use on ships like the Rahschlup. Looking at illustrations of the time, the more traditional square, sheet-metal lined wooden chimneys were gradually replaced by round sheet-metal stove pipes. The chimney could be removed and the passage through the deck closed with a cap, so that they would not get in the way when handling the anchors or sails.
I found a good image in my collection of a model of a Jagt in the Museet for Søfart in Helsingør/Danmark, that shows exactly the sort of arrangement that I had in mind.

Model of a Jagt in the Museet for Søfart in Helsingør/Danmark
Perhaps the best illustration of the interior arrangement is that of ‘Caboteur Danois’, i.e. a Danish ‘jagt’, from Paris’ ‘Souvenirs de la Marine’ (Planche 213). It gives even more details than the drawings for DE FIRE BRØDERE and CASTOR from Nielsen‘s ‚Danske Bådtyper‘.
According to this the stove in the crew quarters is placed next to the access ladder, at the rear bulkhead, while the placement of the one in the captain’s quarters depends on the layout of that cabin. Again, it is likely placed against the forward bulkhead.

Caboteur Danois (jagt), Pl. 213 of the Souvenirs de la Marine by E. de Pâris
As the model will be shown moored alongside a quay, the chimney will be rigged and will be placed on the port side of the crew companionway. Although, I envisage a summer setting, it is shown, because the stove would have been used for cooking as well.
I am not sure, where the stove for the main cabin would have been placed, but I am showing it as closed with a cap on the port side of the companionway.
The forward chimney was milled from a piece of 2 mm x 2 mm polystyrene rod with the base as a separate piece cut from 1 nm x 3.2 mm polystyrene.


Drinking-water barrel
According to pictorial evidence, the placement of the barrel was quite variable, probably at a place where it did not get in the way of the operation of the ship and where it was somewhat protected. Often it was placed near the bulwark or near a companionway. As there is quite a distance between the main cabin companionway and the main hatch, I put it in front of the companionway.
The barrel was turned from a length of 4 mm acrylic rod, giving a barrel of of about 60 cm diameter, which appeared about right according to photographs of the time. With a length of about 5 mm (= 80 cm) such a barrel would hold about 200 l, which should be sufficient for a few days for a crew of 5 to 6.

Determining the overall dimensions of the barrel
The curvature of the barrel was turned with the help of the radius turning attachment I made some years ago, held in the quick-change tool-post (QCTP). The geometries were worked out on my CAD software, i.e. the radius of the curvature was set to 9 mm and the minimum diameter would be 3 mm. Accordingly, a step with 3 mm diameter was turned on each side of the blank and then the attachment set to the middle of the future barrel. The whole radius turning tool was lowered in steps until the tool arrived at the minimum diameter.

Initial steps of turning the curvature with the radius turning tool

Final shape of the barrel
Without changing any other settings, the cutting tool was turned by 90° so that it cut lengthwise. The radius now was reduced by 0.1 mm to lightly engrave the staves. An Internet-consultation revealed that the staves should be about 10 cm wide at the large circumference. For a 60 cm diameter barrel this results in about 20 staves. Using the built-in dividing disc of the watchmakers lathe these 20 staves were engraved one by one.

Engraving the staves
The recesses for the lids were simply cut with an end-mill that cuts over the centre. Holding the barrel once it has been parted off the stock was a bit tricky, but the watchmakers’ collets pinch at the front, so that even bulbous parts can be held for light operations.

Cutting the recesses for the lids
The cradle was fabricated from tiny pieces of various polystyrene profiles.
Barrel and cradle were given a base-coat of the same green as the other deck furniture. The barrel-hoops and the retaining straps are thin pre-painted strips of paper.

The painted water barrel at its future location

… and a horribly sobering close-up shot of the water barrel
To be continued …
There were some deck details of which the location puzzled me a bit. These included the down-pipes into the chain-locker for the anchor-chains (to be discussed later), the chimney(s) for the stove(s) in the crew- and captain’s quarters, the mandatory drinking-water barrel, and to some extent the bilge-pump (also to be discussed later).
Chimney
By the middle of the 19th century small cast-iron stoves were in common use on ships like the Rahschlup. Looking at illustrations of the time, the more traditional square, sheet-metal lined wooden chimneys were gradually replaced by round sheet-metal stove pipes. The chimney could be removed and the passage through the deck closed with a cap, so that they would not get in the way when handling the anchors or sails.
I found a good image in my collection of a model of a Jagt in the Museet for Søfart in Helsingør/Danmark, that shows exactly the sort of arrangement that I had in mind.

Model of a Jagt in the Museet for Søfart in Helsingør/Danmark
Perhaps the best illustration of the interior arrangement is that of ‘Caboteur Danois’, i.e. a Danish ‘jagt’, from Paris’ ‘Souvenirs de la Marine’ (Planche 213). It gives even more details than the drawings for DE FIRE BRØDERE and CASTOR from Nielsen‘s ‚Danske Bådtyper‘.
According to this the stove in the crew quarters is placed next to the access ladder, at the rear bulkhead, while the placement of the one in the captain’s quarters depends on the layout of that cabin. Again, it is likely placed against the forward bulkhead.

Caboteur Danois (jagt), Pl. 213 of the Souvenirs de la Marine by E. de Pâris
As the model will be shown moored alongside a quay, the chimney will be rigged and will be placed on the port side of the crew companionway. Although, I envisage a summer setting, it is shown, because the stove would have been used for cooking as well.
I am not sure, where the stove for the main cabin would have been placed, but I am showing it as closed with a cap on the port side of the companionway.
The forward chimney was milled from a piece of 2 mm x 2 mm polystyrene rod with the base as a separate piece cut from 1 nm x 3.2 mm polystyrene.


Drinking-water barrel
According to pictorial evidence, the placement of the barrel was quite variable, probably at a place where it did not get in the way of the operation of the ship and where it was somewhat protected. Often it was placed near the bulwark or near a companionway. As there is quite a distance between the main cabin companionway and the main hatch, I put it in front of the companionway.
The barrel was turned from a length of 4 mm acrylic rod, giving a barrel of of about 60 cm diameter, which appeared about right according to photographs of the time. With a length of about 5 mm (= 80 cm) such a barrel would hold about 200 l, which should be sufficient for a few days for a crew of 5 to 6.

Determining the overall dimensions of the barrel
The curvature of the barrel was turned with the help of the radius turning attachment I made some years ago, held in the quick-change tool-post (QCTP). The geometries were worked out on my CAD software, i.e. the radius of the curvature was set to 9 mm and the minimum diameter would be 3 mm. Accordingly, a step with 3 mm diameter was turned on each side of the blank and then the attachment set to the middle of the future barrel. The whole radius turning tool was lowered in steps until the tool arrived at the minimum diameter.

Initial steps of turning the curvature with the radius turning tool

Final shape of the barrel
Without changing any other settings, the cutting tool was turned by 90° so that it cut lengthwise. The radius now was reduced by 0.1 mm to lightly engrave the staves. An Internet-consultation revealed that the staves should be about 10 cm wide at the large circumference. For a 60 cm diameter barrel this results in about 20 staves. Using the built-in dividing disc of the watchmakers lathe these 20 staves were engraved one by one.

Engraving the staves
The recesses for the lids were simply cut with an end-mill that cuts over the centre. Holding the barrel once it has been parted off the stock was a bit tricky, but the watchmakers’ collets pinch at the front, so that even bulbous parts can be held for light operations.

Cutting the recesses for the lids
The cradle was fabricated from tiny pieces of various polystyrene profiles.
Barrel and cradle were given a base-coat of the same green as the other deck furniture. The barrel-hoops and the retaining straps are thin pre-painted strips of paper.

The painted water barrel at its future location

… and a horribly sobering close-up shot of the water barrel
To be continued …
Eberhard
Former chairman Arbeitskreis historischer Schiffbau e.V. (German Association for Shipbuilding History)
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Re: Pomeranian Rahschlup 1846 � 1/160 scale � Baltic trader
Eberhard,
I make close up macro photos of my modeling work, and parts that look very nice at arm's length show huge imperfections in the photos! But on the completed model these flaws just aren't noticeable.
Nice work on the barrel. Again, I have tool envy seeing what you do with your watchmaker's lathe.
I make close up macro photos of my modeling work, and parts that look very nice at arm's length show huge imperfections in the photos! But on the completed model these flaws just aren't noticeable.
Nice work on the barrel. Again, I have tool envy seeing what you do with your watchmaker's lathe.
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Re: Pomeranian Rahschlup 1846 � 1/160 scale � Baltic trader
That is a very nice barrel!! Very interesting to see how it was made.