Thanks for that. I am not having much luck with that ship. Was thinking of modeling WEM's Janus as this ship for Force Z but looks like I will just have to stick to Janus. What books do you recommend for camoflauge patterns. I have the Raven books volumes 1, 3 and 4 but missed out on 2 as it is out of stock. Its really frustrating because I am keen to make a HMS Howe in its suez canal photo but have had no luck getting its pattern.