I think you're making us all look bad.blacman wrote:What do you think...?
USS Washington, Guadalcanal 1942 [Trumpeter]
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HI Greg
I like especially ,the effect on the last two pictures, subtle and present both
best regards
Nicolas
I like especially ,the effect on the last two pictures, subtle and present both
best regards
Nicolas
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Re: USS Washington, Guadalcanal 1942 [Trumpeter]
thank you Friends...
latest and last update about hull.
Bow after final smoothing and correction


stern:



midship:


It was really difficult to position and place foil proper and without any wrinkles
It was hard to get it out from paper carrier. Since foil has a glue - it glues to everything - also to the fingers. Best sticks to fingers actually ...
latest and last update about hull.
Bow after final smoothing and correction


stern:



midship:


It was really difficult to position and place foil proper and without any wrinkles
It was hard to get it out from paper carrier. Since foil has a glue - it glues to everything - also to the fingers. Best sticks to fingers actually ...
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Re: USS Washington, Guadalcanal 1942 [Trumpeter]
Wow Blacman your WASHINGTON is looking really sweet, I'm loving the hull plating. It really stands out and will look really defined once it is painted and weathered. Keep up the great work, I'm watching this one closely.
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Re: USS Washington, Guadalcanal 1942 [Trumpeter]
Superstructure...
It supposed to be easy, quick & nice ... What I realized already is that quick & easy won't be for sure. Trumpeter made some simplifications and misplacements here:
On admiral deck when use Trumpeter proposition to add plastic walls superstructure is over sized - blue line

On signal deck differences are even more significant. While BB55 could be somehow OK - for BB56 is far different:
BB55

BB56

and in both sisters location of MK 51 Director is wrong.
Navigation deck has wrong external shape. Also walls are wrong. Trumpeter done it sharp while they were rounded...


The higher the worse:

So - all levels above navigation deck will be redesigned and made from scratch - as PE parts.
Aft. Superstructure also needs to be redesigned and redone - Bofors stations are wrong and misplaced:

Any remarks are more than welcome....
and I'm going back into cutting the kit into layers
It supposed to be easy, quick & nice ... What I realized already is that quick & easy won't be for sure. Trumpeter made some simplifications and misplacements here:
On admiral deck when use Trumpeter proposition to add plastic walls superstructure is over sized - blue line

On signal deck differences are even more significant. While BB55 could be somehow OK - for BB56 is far different:
BB55

BB56

and in both sisters location of MK 51 Director is wrong.
Navigation deck has wrong external shape. Also walls are wrong. Trumpeter done it sharp while they were rounded...


The higher the worse:

So - all levels above navigation deck will be redesigned and made from scratch - as PE parts.
Aft. Superstructure also needs to be redesigned and redone - Bofors stations are wrong and misplaced:

Any remarks are more than welcome....
and I'm going back into cutting the kit into layers
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Re: USS Washington, Guadalcanal 1942 [Trumpeter]
I'm trying to think of an appropriate Dr. McCoy quote to go with this situation... 
"Now put away your butcher knives and let me save this patient!" �Leonard McCoy, Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home
Looking forward to what you come up with, mate!
"Now put away your butcher knives and let me save this patient!" �Leonard McCoy, Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home
Looking forward to what you come up with, mate!
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Re: USS Washington, Guadalcanal 1942 [Trumpeter]
Blacman strikes again
Do you know Ed McDonald USS Washington ? It might be useful for you. Please note there were no bofors guns on USS Washington during her Guadalcanal battle.
Regards
Igor
Do you know Ed McDonald USS Washington ? It might be useful for you. Please note there were no bofors guns on USS Washington during her Guadalcanal battle.
Regards
Igor
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Re: USS Washington, Guadalcanal 1942 [Trumpeter]
"Blackman strikes again!"

This is all in 700 scale? You have amazing skills! That is some fantastic "oil-canning"!!! I always wondered how it is done. Thank you for the very descriptive lesson.
Very nice work!!
Cheers: Laci
This is all in 700 scale? You have amazing skills! That is some fantastic "oil-canning"!!! I always wondered how it is done. Thank you for the very descriptive lesson.
Very nice work!!
Cheers: Laci
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Re: USS Washington, Guadalcanal 1942 [Trumpeter]
Thank you folks...

Actually I was looking for references at '42. Thanks!igorp wrote:Blacman strikes again![]()
Do you know Ed McDonald USS Washington ? It might be useful for you.
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Re: USS Washington, Guadalcanal 1942 [Trumpeter]
I'm stuck...
I cannot find any good reference for plating pattern on the chains plate. Only clear picture of Washington I have access shows:

does not give exact answer....
In reference plans from Drydock :

and recent photo of NC:

question is: what was the proper pattern during WWII on USS Washington and NC..? Anyone can help?
thanks!
Greg
I cannot find any good reference for plating pattern on the chains plate. Only clear picture of Washington I have access shows:

does not give exact answer....
In reference plans from Drydock :

and recent photo of NC:

question is: what was the proper pattern during WWII on USS Washington and NC..? Anyone can help?
thanks!
Greg
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Re: USS Washington, Guadalcanal 1942 [Trumpeter]
I really don't know Greg but from the b&w picture the anti-skid plate pattern looks pretty close to that of the NC, look closely to left of the red box i think the pattern can be seen a little more clear there.
Jose
Jose
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Re: USS Washington, Guadalcanal 1942 [Trumpeter]
I think this image is probably the pattern of the diamond tread skid plates used during WWII. This is the Missouri, I know a later class of ship but it seams to align with the faint pattern posted above of the North Carolina. I think what's aboard now a days is a more common and modern alternating pattern in a cross hatch pattern vs this pattern of offset diamonds.

HTH
Matt

HTH
Matt
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Re: USS Washington, Guadalcanal 1942 [Trumpeter]
thank you !
This is what I will apply
This is what I will apply
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Re: USS Washington, Guadalcanal 1942 [Trumpeter]
I can confirm BB-64 has the modern "cross hatching" pattern. Curious they'd replace that. Was the older pattern deemed not as effective or something?
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Re: USS Washington, Guadalcanal 1942 [Trumpeter]
Cliffy B wrote: Was the older pattern deemed not as effective or something?
Excellent question
Jose
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Re: USS Washington, Guadalcanal 1942 [Trumpeter]
Maybe it was just cheaper to get sheet metal with the "modern" crosshatch diamond pattern, even at the thickness needed for battleship anchor chain support.
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Re: USS Washington, Guadalcanal 1942 [Trumpeter]
laser cut deck ready:




width of planking 0,30mm, making thiner is impossible. it is going to be nice fun with painting... I'm just trying to figure out how to make blue deck a bit worn; But have not any idea how the blue paint was behaving on wooden deck over time ... Was is like chipping or rather rubbing away...
I designed also the part of deck equipment - winches are ready: They are 3D printed:



electric engine looks quite Ok but I need to redesign wheels - a bit bigger and add some inferior details...




width of planking 0,30mm, making thiner is impossible. it is going to be nice fun with painting... I'm just trying to figure out how to make blue deck a bit worn; But have not any idea how the blue paint was behaving on wooden deck over time ... Was is like chipping or rather rubbing away...
I designed also the part of deck equipment - winches are ready: They are 3D printed:



electric engine looks quite Ok but I need to redesign wheels - a bit bigger and add some inferior details...
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Re: USS Washington, Guadalcanal 1942 [Trumpeter]
Superb work so far, love the "oil canning" effect and I've gotta try it myself eventually. Gotta say I draw the line at details I can't see without a magnifying device
but it sure is fascinating to watch other folks do them... and do them well. Keep it up!
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Re: USS Washington, Guadalcanal 1942 [Trumpeter]
You are not the only one.blacman wrote:Thank you folks...
Actually I was looking for references at '42. Thanks!igorp wrote:Blacman strikes again![]()
Do you know Ed McDonald USS Washington ? It might be useful for you.
Since this is another ship I will be doing in 1/700 as well (2nd Naval Battle of Guadalcanal - I only have a few DDs for both sides and the Japanese CLs - one of which I am working on now). I am planning to get the Washington and South Dakota this December-ish.
If you make a PE set for this kit, it will again save me a lot of trouble.
Your work is amazing.
MB
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Re: USS Washington, Guadalcanal 1942 [Trumpeter]
thanks...

I'm planing to design comprehensive set with PE, laser cuts decks and some 3D prints since some parts cannot be made from PE. Like stern bollards (I guess this is right name...)MatthewB wrote:If you make a PE set for this kit, it will again save me a lot of trouble.

