So this is measure er.. 12?

[EJFoeth]

PRESIDENT ROOSEVELT MEETS PRIME MINISTER CHURCHILL. 10 AUGUST 1941, ON BOARD HMS PRINCE OF WALES, IN THE NORTH ATLANTIC OFF NEWFOUNDLAND. THE MEETINGS TOOK PLACE ON BOARD THE BATTLESHIP HMS PRINCE OF WALES AND THE AMERICAN CRUISER USS AUGUSTA, THE MEETINGS STARTED ON 9 AUGUST 1941.. � IWM (A 4803)IWM Non Commercial Licence


PRESIDENT ROOSEVELT MEETS PRIME MINISTER CHURCHILL. 10 AUGUST 1941, ON BOARD HMS PRINCE OF WALES, IN THE NORTH ATLANTIC OFF NEWFOUNDLAND. THE MEETINGS TOOK PLACE ON BOARD THE BATTLESHIP HMS PRINCE OF WALES AND THE AMERICAN CRUISER USS AUGUSTA, THE MEETINGS STARTED ON 9 AUGUST 1941.. � IWM (A 4808)IWM Non Commercial Licence

USS Augusta and USS McDougal at the Atlantic charter showing a graded pattern and deck camouflage carried over on inclined surfaces. Blue lower hull following the sheer line (so not measure 22 and too early anyway), no extra dark tone at the waterline (so not measure 2). So this is measure 12-graded, right?

[JCRAY]

EJ ,I don't know for sure but I thought it was a variation of measure 2. It follows the sheer line and the 5 D lower band had been discontinued.
Hth John

[Tracy White]

The destroyer is in Measure 18, actually.

[John Olsen]

Isn't this a little early for Ms 18? The photos date from August, 1941, so a Ms 2 variant seems more likely to me.

[Tracy White]

I don't see evidence of a 5-L mast, which was why I said Measure 18. Rick Davis has a lot of photos of destroyers in it earlier than originally thought, but I'm back from a week off and catching up at work has kept me from doing a search through the stuff he's sent in the past to look. I'll drop him a line...

[EJFoeth]

I don't see evidence of a 5-L mast

Can you elaborate? 5-L is a slightly lighter blue-gray than the 5-H on the vertical surfaces but I hadn't noticed the 5-L application on masts in the Measure descriptions.

My main interest is McDougal (late 1941) and by extension the other Porters in their original configuration; I noticed (good) photographs of the Porters & Somers are not very easy to find. I'll have to order the one from the IWM I posted above; it is magnificent.

[Tracy White]

Upon further review it's most likely just Measure 12 with a miss-understood bow demarcation pattern. Lots of inconsistencies in source documents that I don't have time or energy to post for discussion, so I'm going to fall back on occam's razor.