Pontosmodel 1/200 HMS Hood 1941 Detail Set

[EJFoeth]

Remove the standard plank length markings that all line up, Hoods planks were not lined up like this. The planks do not match up across the beam as you can see when she is being built. This incorrect planking has been picked up on from the polish profiles by most of the deck makers.

Actually, some pics show that they were



Just follow the planks at the far bottom left, and the 3 additional planks of the same length spaced out every 5 planks.

[Pontosmodel]

Generally we realize same planks every 4 line so every 5 spaces is no problem.
And we would design 1.0mm width planks based on 8in/200 plank width.

We have applied the 2nd try for the funnel.


Thank you
Keumho Kim

[Aop Aur]

I never thought I would buy a 1/200 ship kit, but this one is pushing me to! Let's see if Pontos will win me over and I could grab a Trumpeter Hood!! Anyway still have a lot in stash and as long as this set is going to be continuously made, I am in no hurry!

Hats off to Pontos for producing such a high quality set and so far this is one of the very few companies that cares for details and accuracy!

Aop

[FW_Allen]

Mr Allen , do you have access to the info Model Monkey would need?

I have plans that could be used. These can help with the dimensions of the funnels. I'm sure we can find additional info as well.

Not sure what we'd do about suitable replacement photoetch (pe) if a replacement funnel is created though: It sounds like Pontos will release pe for the kit's funnels as-is (slightly different sizes). I suppose the work around would be to use Pontos fore funnel pe for the fore funnel for one and the kit's original fore funnel cage and internal pe for the other. It will possibly look somewhat different due to the difference in quality/detail, but it should still work.

[FW_Allen]

We have applied the 2nd try for the funnel.

Thank you
Keumho Kim

Beautiful!

[Aop Aur]

Mr Allen , do you have access to the info Model Monkey would need?

I have plans that could be used. These can help with the dimensions of the funnels. I'm sure we can find additional info as well.

Not sure what we'd do about suitable replacement photoetch (pe) if a replacement funnel is created though: It sounds like Pontos will release pe for the kit's funnels as-is (slightly different sizes). I suppose the work around would be to use Pontos fore funnel pe for the fore funnel for one and the kit's original fore funnel cage and internal pe for the other. It will possibly look somewhat different due to the difference in quality/detail, but it should still work.

Actually, if Pontos would be able to supply a separate set of fore funnel's PE already designed, that would be great. Anyway it is up to the manufacturers themselves to decide. Also, Model monkey's replacement funnel will need to be identical to the Trumpeter's fore funnel as well so to take the Pontos PE or that supplied in the kit. But if Steve follows the original plans, then PE can't be used or need adjustments, right?

Aop

[Pontosmodel]

Well As for the funnel, we have discussed internally,
The main problem is all of the funnel base parts and upper parts of both funnels are all different sizes.
I think a lowest cost way that two owners of this kit can swap each other as one for two fore funnels and the other after.



Thank you
Keumho Kim

[Aop Aur]

That sounds like a good solution, but as Mr. Allen said, the fore funnel is the more correct one, so the person who gets two aft funnels will be on his own! And the person who gets two fore funnels is lucky! Anyway at least the funnels' dimentions will eventually be the same.

Aop

[SovereignHobbies]

Whilst I understand that the detail up set needs to be designed to fit the kit, I also think it would be a real dilemma for potential customers weighing up whether to live with Trumpeter's howler of a mistake on the funnels + use the Pontos details, or correct the funnels + throw away a significant part of the Pontos set.

Given that the kit itself is very expensive, and the Pontos 1/200 scale sets in general are also very expensive, I would venture that customers would prefer the relatively small uplift in cost for a resin replacement aft funnel (3 parts, left half, right half and cap) and the photo-etched parts designed to fit this rather than the mal-formed aft funnel. I suspect people would rather pay $30 more to fix the problem properly and be able to use all the PE they're buying than end up with a visibly deformed Hood still costing >$600 or with mismatching levels of detail on corrected shape funnels.

Thoughts?

[Channell]

Pontos, please at least give us duplicate forefunnel PE parts (funnel PE wrap and grille/catwalk) for those of us who will want to modify the aft funnel down to it's proper size; it would be an easy mod for both us "hardcore" modelers and you guys as the parts would only need to be designed once...

[hondaman117]

Pontos, please at least give us duplicate forefunnel PE parts (funnel PE wrap and grille/catwalk) for those of us who will want to modify the aft funnel down to it's proper size; it would be an easy mod for both us "hardcore" modelers and you guys as the parts would only need to be designed once...

I agree with Jason. I personally see 4 options:

1. Place duplicates of both funnels PE pieces in the kit. That way if people swap funnels with somebody else each person will be able to have the Pontos PE on the funnels and they will match, regardless if you have the front or rear funnels.

2. Offer the duplicate funnel PE pieces as a separate item. This way the main kit PE is for the people who want to build the kit straight from the box. Anybody who wants to correct the funnels can buy the separate PE items and fix the issue however they choose.

3. Maybe Model Monkey could make a version of his corrected funnel sans exterior details that the Pontos PE could be put on? This would eliminate the possibility of the PE not matching Steve's designed details. This would also rely on Pontos creating extra front funnel PE and offering it either in the kit or as a separate item.

4. Resin replacement for the rear funnel with correct dimensions. This could also be made without details so the PE will fit on it and match the front funnel.


I personally want my Hood to have the correct size funnels, so I'm really hoping they will make one of these options happen.

[FW_Allen]

I'm still hoping someone else will take measurements (front to back and width) of their kit funnels as well (to verify and cross check against mine). It would be good to do that so we can positively confirm which funnel is correct.

[FW_Allen]

Well As for the funnel, we have discussed internally,
The main problem is all of the funnel base parts and upper parts of both funnels are all different sizes.
I think a lowest cost way that two owners of this kit can swap each other as one for two fore funnels and the other after.



Thank you
Keumho Kim

The rear splinter shield looks great! Will it also have stiffeners & angles braces? We don't have a very good view of the interior....we have just one photo that shows a small section.

[Pontosmodel]

These are just for the first fitting.And so we would add some more details.


Thank you
Keumho Kim

[David Gatt]

I'm still hoping someone else will take measurements (front to back and width) of their kit funnels as well (to verify and cross check against mine). It would be good to do that so we can positively confirm which funnel is correct.

I pulled out my funnels yesterday and dry fitted them together. Yes the fore funnel is larger than the aft funnel. However that also means that the bases of the funnels are also different as is the top funnel ring pieces. More of a problem though is that if the forward funnel, which is the larger of the two, is correct then that sized funnel won't fit on the base superstructure of the aft funnel as it's too deep, (fore to aft). The base of the funnel would have to me modified or the superstructure base, needs to be modified. Sorry I don't have the instructions to call out parts by number at the moment.

[FW_Allen]

Here is the only known photo of the inside of the rear 4" gun splinter shield. As you can see, there are ribs/stiffeners around the interior of the main portion. The short, angled walls at the front appear to have angled supports though (on their forward faces). We do not know how many supports were on each segment...obviously there were at least two.

Those small walls appear to have ended roughly behind the small upright vents just forward of the position (we base this on another onboard photo that shows the area wide open between the vents). We cant see the ends of the walls though, so its hard to tell exact shape and if there are other angled supports, etc.

[FW_Allen]

I'm still hoping someone else will take measurements (front to back and width) of their kit funnels as well (to verify and cross check against mine). It would be good to do that so we can positively confirm which funnel is correct.

I pulled out my funnels yesterday and dry fitted them together. Yes the fore funnel is larger than the aft funnel. However that also means that the bases of the funnels are also different as is the top funnel ring pieces. More of a problem though is that if the forward funnel, which is the larger of the two, is correct then that sized funnel won't fit on the base superstructure of the aft funnel as it's too deep, (fore to aft). The base of the funnel would have to me modified or the superstructure base, needs to be modified. Sorry I don't have the instructions to call out parts by number at the moment.

Many thanks. Were you able to measure the parts though? Just curious to verify my measurements so we can conclusively decide which funnel is more correct in size.

As for making a fore funnel fit atop the rear funnel's deckhouse (for lack of a better term), you are correct. The bottom piece of the fore funnel (part C15) is indeed too long. Of course, one could make it fit by flattening the rear end (straight instead of round) of C15. As I recall, this structure went under the walkway that was around the top front of the Disinfector House aboard the real ship anyway. This would give some degree of flexibility in aligning/centring the funnel fore and aft to the deck house as well (although we'd have to alter the raised bit on the top to better accommodate C15.

[Robbie Mac]

I've posted this thought in "Mighty big problem with Trumpeter Hood":

Hachette produced a 1/200 part-work of the Hood that had two correct size funnels - ones that are the same size as the forward funnel of the Trumpeter Hood - in weeks 137 and 138. These particular weeks can still be bought through websites like eBay.

The Hachette funnels have no surface detail but they could be wrapped in very thin styrene sheet with rivet markings inscribed from the back side or use the etched brass from Pontos if they can be persuaded to produce two of the forward funnel wraps.

I hope that this helps.

Regards,

Robbie

[Pontosmodel]

We have looked over the Funnel parts.
And we decided to try to do following solution as the best way as to use the kit parts.
But there may be some funnel parts need to be modified.
These are C15(base) C6+C7(main funnel) C6+C7 and C4(upper) of fore Funnel.

You need cut and reduce the size horizontally 1.8mm these 4 parts.
After cutting, these will be the same size with C14 C16+17 and C3 of After funnel.

With this process, you can have two same size funnels without getting extra resin parts.
There may be some opinions that after funnel kit is smaller than original plan size.
But I think these are negligible small problems.

We may add these extra PE parts at our Hood advanced set.
The Basic set will have separate fore and after PE parts without cutting process because I think almost modelers will do easy way not cutting.

We have spent much time for this solution already, so there may be no more act for other suggestions.

Thank you
Keumho Kim

[David Gatt]

I'm still hoping someone else will take measurements (front to back and width) of their kit funnels as well (to verify and cross check against mine). It would be good to do that so we can positively confirm which funnel is correct.

I pulled out my funnels yesterday and dry fitted them together. Yes the fore funnel is larger than the aft funnel. However that also means that the bases of the funnels are also different as is the top funnel ring pieces. More of a problem though is that if the forward funnel, which is the larger of the two, is correct then that sized funnel won't fit on the base superstructure of the aft funnel as it's too deep, (fore to aft). The base of the funnel would have to me modified or the superstructure base, needs to be modified. Sorry I don't have the instructions to call out parts by number at the moment.

Yes sorry. The forward funnel measures 38.5 mm the aft funnel measures 36mm. These measurements are taken on the external surface. Just bellow the beveled top ring on which the cap sits.