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PostPosted: Wed Dec 04, 2019 4:29 am 
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Hello everybody

Does anybody can help with HMS hood hull? I have in my shipyard model from polish publisher Haliński in scale 1:200 and I'm looking for hull plating (shell expansion) to make an imitation of hull plating (underwater part of hull).

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Hi, me too! :thumbs_up_1:

I would also appreciate greatly information of the condensator water inlets, and other bigger openings below the waterline, how they look at outside. I think, those seacocks are only cone-shaped holes in outside bottom?

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 08, 2019 12:01 pm 
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chuck wrote:
Why leave a gaping hole in the middle of a platform?

We don’t know, but we see evidence not only in the official plans but in at least one photo...so sensible or not, it was there. It’s not the only odd feature on Hood.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 08, 2019 12:06 pm 
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chazi wrote:
Hello everybody

Does anybody can help with HMS hood hull? I have in my shipyard model from polish publisher Haliński in scale 1:200 and I'm looking for hull plating (shell expansion) to make an imitation of hull plating (underwater part of hull).

thank you for help
best regards
chris


Hi Chris,

Just curious, but did you ever get my email response from last week? You had contacted our association directly, and they asked me to answer you, which I did. I have had no reply from you, so I am checking to see if you every got my email. Please let me know.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 1:03 am 
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Hello Frank

I recived email from You even 3 :))). Thank You very much for fast answer an sa high detailed.
I hope for help for my bulding model.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 12:45 pm 
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chazi wrote:
Hello Frank

I recived email from You even 3 :))). Thank You very much for fast answer an sa high detailed.
I hope for help for my bulding model.
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You got all three? I am sorry for sending so many...but my email program was giving me a lot of trouble. My final email had the most updated information (the one with the links).

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 2:04 pm 
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Hi Frank

It's not a problem. Thank you very much for huge help :))
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What is the typical interior deck color on the Hood?

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 16, 2019 12:46 pm 
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chuck wrote:
What is the typical interior deck color on the Hood?


I asked several Hood veterans this very question many years ago. The basic gist of their replies was that they didn't precisely remember. In fact, I can only recall one chap, Ken "Nobby Clark (we REALLY miss him), being able to provide any detail. He told me that the engineering spaces had grates in some areas and checquered plate in others. No mention of colour (he did tease me be saying "this is what colour the inside was" though...he had part of a rivet that was sheared as a result of a near bomb miss...it was white, albeit yellowed with age). I can completely understand the ambiguity as it was 60 years on. Heck, I can't precisely remember the floor or wall colours of the HQ SAC BB complex and that was my first major military assignment...and that was only 30ish years ago (Awful Offutt...yuck).

As for photos, we do have a handful showing Hood interiors over the years (a few of which are posted below). They don't seem to show great detail with regard to the deck though. The main problem is that we're dealing with old B&W photography (so its the whole pan/ortho thing all over again). The deck looks darker (edited this...I accidentally said "lighter" orginally...no idea why!) than the bulkheads, but of course it would as those were white. Is the colour mid-grey, dark grey, corticene? Hard to say. I know Nobby was right about the checquered plates in the Engine Room (Wright and Logan photos show this). The only other "interior" area for which we the exact ype of flooring, is the rearmost reaches of the focsle deck (near the large rectangular openings in Hood's rear screen...near the Admiral's quarters). Those were planked with teak (see photo below). Other than this, the only info I recall about decking is that tiles were used near the Captain's quarters- I seem to remember seeing tiles through the rusticles in the wreckage near the bell. I really need to get a hold of the raw footage to be sure though.

Of course, all of this aside, I wonder if its safe to assume that the decks would be similar to those on surviving contemporary British-built warships? If so, then perhaps "Belfast" and "Haida" might help: During my visits, I saw dark grey non-slip in some areas, a brown linoleum in other areas (Belfast's Compass Platform for instance), chequered plate, and even alternating white/brownish-red tiles. Of course, one must bear in mind that these were newer vessels and saw service after the war...so its possible things had changed (though perhaps not THAT much). Of course, this brings up another point- Hood's deck coverings may or may not have changed over the years between her commissioning and her loss. For example, we know they applied semtex (not the "kaboom" type, but the textured decking) on the boat deck in the 30s...perhaps there were changes inside as well. Hard to say.

Hopefully Maurice Northcott will see this. He may know if deck covering are mentioned in Hood's cover or her ship's books (I don't recall...and I don't think we've fully transcribed those docs yet...they're a bit of a nightmare).

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Just to point out to the Forum - that my review of the 1/350 Flyhawk Super-detail set
went live on the HMS Hood Association website at the start of this month and is visible here
http://www.hmshood.com/hoodtoday/models ... ode=350098

Note I also sent high quality scans of the Flyhawk Instruction sheet - so hopefully this can be badded at a later date
( or perhaps was omitted due to website space limitations ) - it would detail the problems of the lack of detail on how
to exactly assemble some bts of photo-etch ( as others have commented ) and also the very good print quality
of the Flyhawk instructions themselves

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 04, 2020 5:15 pm 
HI all
Can anyone confirm whether Hood carried whalers at the stern of her shelter deck on her last mission ? The aerial pictures of that are quite vague to be sure. If she did ,were they hung outboard or inboard on davits? Most models show them even when shown as waterline but they may not be intended to show that last trip when ?
By the way I`ve been using the Big Blue Boy PE set.It seems very comprehensive and covers most of the "issues" raised by the Hood Association on their website. It also "fits " the kit very well, although you have to be careful to make the appropriate kit parts fit accurately first so the PE fits them properly . The instructions however leave something to be desired especially for someone like me who hasn't done any PE before. Maybe they should look at PONTOS?
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 06, 2020 7:21 am 
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slowhand wrote:
HI all
Can anyone confirm whether Hood carried whalers at the stern of her shelter deck on her last mission ?


The whalers were there in the usual locations. They are definitely visible in the various 22 May ‘41 photos of her at sea/en-route to intercept Bismarck. As for whether they were inboard or outboard, it’s difficult to say with 100% certainty. To me, they appear to be inboard/stowed on deck. The photos are a little too grainy to be 100% conclusive. To further complicate matters, I’ve definitely seen photos of her from Spring 1941 that show the whalers in both positions at different times.

Perhaps they were in board last on route and pushed outboard when they prepared to seal up for battle the night before her loss.

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One pic that Frank gave me with instructions not to share it (sorry/not sorry) taken 5/5/1941 shows the whaler inboard. Pics from 22/5/1941 are taken directly from the side at a low altitude make it difficult, except that the whaler is not between the davits (really not), so I guess inboard as well.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 06, 2020 2:03 pm 
Hi Frank and EJ. Thanks for the swift responses.
Bit of a shame really as I was hoping to get away without putting them on ( like not needing to have the main forward and stern de-mountable shelter deck access ladders ) or at least having to make a decision as to inboard/outboard.The cheats way out!!
I have to say inboard seems most likely to me as clearly they wouldn't be of any use away from port and on a "proper" deep sea mission, and they would also have been quite vulnerable if stowed outboard in the stormy old Atlantic/Denmark Straight. Also it means I have to make some boat chocks/rests from scratch as the kit/BBB PE set don`t supply any for inboard stowage. I guess the davits must have been swung inwards to rest against the hull , and maybe the safety / access netting removed as well?
Oh well that`s model making I suppose!
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You actually raised an interesting point; I looked at the davits and how the whalers were mounted but not if they were in- or outboard. Pics of Hood showing the whalers inboard show one davit folded/stored, so I guess chocks were lying around somewhere. Perhaps I should do a blog post as there's a small tripod near the whaler I have not seen on any model (IIRC) and there's some rope and pulleys always present for hoisting the whaler by crew...


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EJFoeth wrote:
You actually raised an interesting point; I looked at the davits and how the whalers were mounted but not if they were in- or outboard. Pics of Hood showing the whalers inboard show one davit folded/stored, so I guess chocks were lying around somewhere. Perhaps I should do a blog post as there's a small tripod near the whaler I have not seen on any model (IIRC) and there's some rope and pulleys always present for hoisting the whaler by crew...


Yes, I noticed that too...in the examples I’ve seen, it seems like the forward davit was still attached and the aft folded/stowed. The sad thing is, we DO have onboard 1941 photos of the whalers stored on deck, but the angles and image size/quality prevent us from having a good look at the undersides. We have a few shots of the whalers in action…under oar and under actual canvas sail, plus there are tons of shots showing them aboard the ship in the outboard position...complete with large fenders, straps and nets, but alas these are not much help in this situation.

I suppose, this means modelers have an opportunity for some artistic license: they can stow both boats, deploy both boats or have one out and one in.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 3:23 pm 
Gentlemen,

Re: EJFoeth's post of 1.20am 07 July and others concerning the same subject.

I have a number of References concerning HMS HOOD. The "tripods" mentioned by EJF are in fact the post and stays of a small derrick. One was fitted on each side of the ship and they appear to have been permanent fittings as photographs taken in peacetime show them painted white: in war, painted grey. They were not fitted when the ship was completed and "appear" first in a photograph dated June 1939. The date of fitting might possibly be found in a copy of the ship's Rigging Warrant; which could be available in the Brass Foundry at Woolwich. They were probably fitted to meet a requirement to embark stores or light ammunition in or near the location shown. As they were not fitted "as completed" they are unlikely to have been associated with the upper deck torpedo tubes.

Concerning the davits of the seaboats (whalers): the bottoms of these were supported by brackets fitted outboard of the hull. Being of the radial type, they were turned inboard and outboard by hand. Some variants could be turned using a handle: not HOOD's apparently. When turned outboard, the boats were held in to the puddings on a horizontal griping spar by means of gripes. Clearly HOOD's seaboats were at various times turned inboard and lowered either directly onto the deck or onto supporting crutches fitted to the deck. It was then probably the practice to unhook the falls (pulleys) and then fold the davits onto the deck. They might at some time, however, have been turned inboard after removal of the griping spar, the spar then refitted and the boat griped in with the gripes again, with the boat hanging by its falls. This may only have been practiced in peacetime or in harbour though.

The vexed question of how the seaboats were rigged when sailing 21 May 1941 is unlikely, of course to be answered. My guess is that they were probably turned inboard, lowered to the deck and the davits folded. This would at least clear the weapon arcs of the after 4inch mounting on each side and reduce the chances of the boats being damaged by gun blast from the after main armament group. Additionally, it would have been unlikely that they might need to be employed as lifeboats (as in the correct Royal Navy meaning of the word: to save the life of anyone who had fallen overboard) as one of the escorting destroyers could have done that job. Besides, I think that the readers of this post will find that many British capital ships, did away with seaboats/lifeboats during World War II anyway.

Incidentally, HMS HOOD did not have nets to access the seaboats in question when they were held outboard, they had two wire rope and wooden runged "Jacob's Ladders;" which appear to have been fitted between the griping spar and the outer edge of the Shelter Deck.

I hope this helps.

References:
a. Robertson RG CA (1972): Profile Warship 19 HMS HOOD/Battle-cruiser 1916 - 1941: Operational History.
Profile Publications Ltd

b. Northcott M (1974): Ensign Special HOOD, Design and Construction. Bivouac Books Ltd>


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That was certainly helpful.

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This is a relatively good shot of the shelterdeck in 1941.
A) The whaler and its Jacob's ladders and spars can be seen clearly. There are no fixed crutches on deck.
B) The smaller derrick post mentioned earlier. The position is quite odd though, and there are no derricks visible in the vicinity.
C) A rope and pulleys; you'll spot them in nearly all photographs and I assume they are for lowering/hoisting the whaler. A nice bit of detail to add.
D) While we are it it, there are some stored 'hoops', purpose unknown to me.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 08, 2020 3:14 am 
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Now I am confused! What do the C and D in your photograph indicate? They appear to have no relevance to the corresponding "points" in your text.


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C: it's a rope/pulley that runs from the fwd davit all the way back to the rear 4" gun mount (almost). It runs over most of half the beam of the ship. It's the rope just above C lying on deck.
D: Near D on that shield there's a pair of T-shaped stuctures (vents?) On the right one there are some small and lightly coloured 'rings'/'hoops'/UFOs. A bit more to the right is a small cabinet for storage. The barrel of the 4" mount partically obscures both.


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