Calling all USS Yorktown CV-5 fans

[Lethal215]

Lundstrom, The First Team, mentions 30 folding wing F4F-4s (VF-8), 24 SBD-3s between the VB and VS squadrons and 10 TBDs in VT-8, or 64 a/c. US CVs could also hang planes semi disassembled from overhead areas in the hanger. Except for a few fighters, everything must have been jammed into the hanger.
Location of U.S. Naval Aircraft Report, 15 Apr 42, is dated. Same numbers following week, Hornet at sea:
VF-8 18 F4F-3
VB-8 18 SBC-4
VS-8 17 SBC-4
VT-8 9 TBD-1
Notes show that 19 VS-3 SBDs are to re-equip Hornet along with other Saratoga a/c per Lundstrom.
First report in May (14th) shows Hornet still at sea and the following:
VF-8 30 F4F-4
VB-8 12 SBD-3
VS-8 12 SBD-3
VT-8 13 TBD-1

[MartinJQuinn]

I understand the question, but let's keep this thread on topic for Yorktown.

[TF17Greg]

Dear all finally after recieving all the stuff l need l will post some pictures
So l have question where there floater basket on Yorktown cv5 at Coral sea.?
Thanks for your help

[TF17Greg]

And here some pictures of the the diorama
All the panels of the hull are off scale so l decided to make new ones...all the portholes will be drilled
Part of the hull is done still a lot to do need to add all the degaussing cables...enjoy

[Jon C Ryckert]

No floater net baskets on Yorktown. What she did carry was an assortment of ships boats and life rafts of various sizes. Hope this helps you out looking forward to your build.

[TF17Greg]

No floater net baskets on Yorktown. What she did carry was an assortment of ships boats and life rafts of various sizes. Hope this helps you out looking forward to your build.

Thank u very much for your help...

I found this picture and it says Yorktown but l suppose it�s cv10...right?

[Vlad]

That is definitely an Essex class carrier, with the 5" twin mounts there ahead of the bridge, and the quad 40mm bofors on the hull sponsons. I can't tell whether that's CV-10, but in any case the photo is mis-labelled.

[Dick J]

Judging from the smoke pouring out of the after end of the ship, I would have guessed Bunker Hill (CV-17) even without the photo being ID'd as "bh.jpg".

[ModelMonkey]

The photo is identified as USS Yorktown CV-10 taken on March 18, 1945 in the book "The Fighting Lady" by Clark G. Reynolds, page 253.

The author describes the event as a Japanese aerial bomb, dropped by a Yokosuka D4Y "Judy", that initially hit the starboard side of the signal bridge. The Judy was only 8 miles out when detected and the pilot was able to approach and drop the bomb under 1000 feet. The bomb passed through the deck taking out a squawk box, a hatch door and miscellaneous equipment and severing a ventilation duct, and left a 21" x 39" hole in the deck. The bomb probably had a delayed action fuse. There was considerable damage and many casualties as the bomb struck then continued its path downward.

Here's part of Reynold's narrative. Warning, it's pretty gruesome.

"Seamen First Elmer Jeckel and Powell Burnette were firing away with the Number 7 20mm battery as the bomb ricocheted off the incinerator smoke stack, slashing it and two steam pipes, then slammed through their splinter shield, leaving a 20" hole, and passing through both men. Jekell's body was cut in half at the waist. He started to scream but blacked out with the trunk of his torso hanging from the gun into which he was strapped. Barnette had both legs severed at the knees and he collapsed to the deck.

"The bomb, having been deflected slightly away from the hull, detonated about 15 feet above the water and 30 feet outboard of the hangar deck at the shopfitter's shack at Frame 121, having travelled about 150 feet from where it first struck the ship. The blast blew a hole in the side of the hull, demolishing the shopfitters shack, killing the sleeping Fred Weatherford there instantly, and sent shrapnel into the radar repair room just below the hangar killing aviation radar technician Ed Sherman.

"Another technician, Danny Carveth, had poked his head out of a porthole there just as the bomb ignited. The blast hit him full-face, bits of shrapnel digging into his face and eyes, and he was blown back, convulsed in searing agony. His shipmate Bob Lueck of the air group had both arms broken and his body peppered with shrapnel. A fire erupted in this space.

"The flying shrapnel penetrated other spaces, wounding more men, but none quite so ignominiously as a little Russian they called "Rubles" - Seaman First John Gryshewich - hit on the knee by shrapnel while sitting in the head taking a crap.

"The explosion occurred under the Number Seven quad 40mm mount and destroyed two of its guns. A foot-long five-and-a-half pound chuck of shrapnel struck Gunners Mate Bob Davis, fracturing his left arm, tore open his guts, and caused his intestines to spew out eight or nine feet away from his body. But they were not severed. Pat Patterson, with heads-up thinking, rushed over to the slight, blond-haired kid, carefully gathered up the intestines and piled them gently on top of the wound for the medicos to treat. Half of the piece of shrapnel stuck out of Davis' stomach."

The narrative goes on for two more pages describing further casualties by name in detail, an oil fire in the Number Five 5"/38 twin-gun mount, the 3rd deck fire which made the deck "too hot to walk on", and other significant damage. The narrative includes what Reynolds describes as a "devastated Marines' 20mm gallery at the after end of the island" detailing casualties there by name.

Reynolds states that the damage and fires were severe enough to require that 40mm magazines be flooded.

Reynolds reports that the Yokosuka D4Y "Judy" was shot down on its pull-out. Both Japanese crewman parachuted to the water. The pilot was rescued by a destroyer. The gunner was machinegunned in the water by "enraged black stewards mates in the 20s aft" and killed.

An interesting physical detail visible in the photo, look to the right and above the floater net basket. That's an F6F-3N or F6F-5N Hellcat night fighter's AN/APS-6 radar dome fit to the ship to provide radar coverage directly above the ship.

[edit: fixed typos]

[TF17Greg]

The photo is identified as USS Yorktown CV-10 taken on March 18, 1945 in the book "The Fighting Lady" by Clark G. Reynolds, page 253.

The author describes the event as a Japanese aerial bomb, dropped by a Yokosuka D4Y "Judy", that initially hit the starboard side of the signal bridge. The Judy was only 8 miles out when detected and the pilot was able to approach and drop the bomb under 1000 feet. The bomb passed through the deck taking out a squawk box, a hatch door and miscellaneous equipment and severing a ventilation duct, and left a 21" x 39" hole in the deck. The bomb probably had a delayed action fuse. There was considerable damage and many casualties as the bomb struck then continued its path downward.

Here's part of Reynold's narrative. Warning, it's pretty gruesome.

"Seamen First Elmer Jeckel and Powell Burnette were firing away with the Number 7 20mm battery as the bomb ricocheted off the incinerator smoke stack, slashing it and two steam pipes, then slammed through their splinter shield, leaving a 20" hole, and passing through both men. Jekell's body was cut in half at the waist. He started to scream but blacked out with the trunk of his torso hanging from the gun into which he was strapped. Barnette had both legs severed at the knees and he collapsed to the deck.

"The bomb, having been deflected slightly away from the hull, detonated about 15 feet above the water and 30 feet outboard of the hangar deck at the shopfitter's shack at Frame 121, having travelled about 150 feet from where it first struck the ship. The blast blew a hole in the side of the hull, demolishing the shopfitters shack, killing the sleeping Fred Weatherford there instantly, and sent shrapnel into the radar repair room just below the hangar killing aviation radar technician Ed Sherman.

"Another technician, Danny Carveth, had poked his head out of a porthole there just as the bomb ignited. The blast hit him full-face, bits of shrapnel digging into his face and eyes, and he was blown back, convulsed in searing agony. His shipmate Bob Lueck of the air group had both arms broken and his body peppered with shrapnel. A fire erupted in this space.

"The flying shrapnel penetrated other spaces, wounding more men, but none quite so ignominiously as a little Russian they called "Rubles" - Seaman First John Gryshewich - hit on the knee by shrapnel while sitting in the head taking a crap.

"The explosion occurred under the Number Seven quad 40mm mount and destroyed two of its guns. A foot-long five-and-a-half pound chuck of shrapnel struck Gunners Mate Bob Davis, fracturing his left arm, tore open his guts, and caused his intestines to spew out eight or nine feet away from his body. But they were not severed. Pat Patterson, with heads-up thinking, rushed over to the slight, blond-haired kid, carefully gathered up the intestines and piled them gently on top of the wound for the medicos to treat. Half of the piece of shrapnel stuck our of Davis' stomach."

The narrative goes on for two more pages describing further casualties by name in detail, an oil fire in the Number Five 5"/38 twin-gun mount, the 3rd deck fire which made the deck "too hot to walk on", and other significant damage. The narrative includes what Reynolds describes as a "devastated Marines' 20mm gallery at the after end of the island" detailing casualties there by name.

Reynolds states that the damage and fires were severe enough to require that 40mm magazines be flooded.

Reynolds reports that the Yokosuka D4Y "Judy" was shot down on its pull-out. Both Japanese crewman parachuted to the water. The pilot was rescued by a destroyer. The gunner was machinegunned in the water by "enraged black stewards mates in the 20s aft" and killed.

An interesting physical detail visible in the photo, look to the right and above the floater net basket. That's an F6F-3N or F6F-5N Hellcat night fighter's AN/APS-6 radar dome fit to the ship to provide radar coverage directly above the ship.

DAAAMN... that was intense...
Since l�m doing Coral Sea battle do u have infos concerning the fire that occured on May the 8th and if u have also any Informations concerning the position of the planes while the fire was estinguished ...thanks...and by the thank u all for your kind replies

[MartinJQuinn]

And here some pictures of the the diorama
All the panels of the hull are off scale so l decided to make new ones...all the portholes will be drilled
Part of the hull is done still a lot to do need to add all the degaussing cables...enjoy

TF17 Greg - nice work.

However....we try not to have people post work in progress photos in the CASF threads, unless they are asking a specific question. We used to, but the threads got even more cumbersome than thab are now, and as peoples photo-sharing sites expired, we have posts with no pictures in them.

Best if you set up a WIP thread over in the picture post forum, under the work in progress section: viewforum.php?f=59

Thanks!

Your friendly neighborhood moderator

[TF17Greg]

And here some pictures of the the diorama
All the panels of the hull are off scale so l decided to make new ones...all the portholes will be drilled
Part of the hull is done still a lot to do need to add all the degaussing cables...enjoy

TF17 Greg - nice work.

However....we try not to have people post work in progress photos in the CASF threads, unless they are asking a specific question. We used to, but the threads got even more cumbersome than thab are now, and as peoples photo-sharing sites expired, we have posts with no pictures in them.

Best if you set up a WIP thread over in the picture post forum, under the work in progress section: viewforum.php?f=59

Thanks!

Your friendly neighborhood moderator

Sorry about that...l will correct it immediately
Greg

[Dick J]

The photo is identified as USS Yorktown CV-10 taken on March 18, 1945 in the book "The Fighting Lady" by Clark G. Reynolds, page 253.

I have satisfied myself, from the bridge configuration, that this is indeed CV-10. I am, however, having a problem reconciling the date. The support for the secondary radar on the starboard side of the stack limits the ship to Yorktown or Intrepid, but the nav bridge shape says Yorktown. But on March 18, 1945, she was still in MS-33/10A, and the photo does not seem to show this camo. Anyone have any ideas how to resolve this? Tracy?

(BTW, March 18, 1945 happens to be the same day that my dad was shot down in his B-17 while on a mission to Berlin. He made it over to Poland before he bellied in, and so was a "guest" of the Russians rather than the Germans.)

[TF17Greg]

Dear all this is a picture of the hangar of the Enterprise. could it be that Yorktown is the same?
I was wondering of the propellers is that the correct position ?
Thanks for your help

[Devin]

I believe it would look the same on Yorktown, yes.

[Tracy White]

But on March 18, 1945, she was still in MS-33/10A, and the photo does not seem to show this camo.

"The Fighting Lady" book states that CV-10 Yorktown was painted out of MS-33/10A and in to MS-21 starting on March 1 (Page 243). Her war diaries have her reaching Ulithi on this date and anchoring until March 9 for reprovisioning, etc., so it's certainly possible. I've seen nothing that suggests another time buy haven't found anything in Archives to 100% prove it with official documentation either.

For what it's worth for CV-5's hangar, ships did vary both between sisters and even the same ship as much as they changed externally. I have photos of Essex class hangar bays where there are large changes to details (not structure so much as where and how things were stored) withing the space of a year. Barring other photos of Yorktown this is *probably* the best source you're going to find, but there's a chance she had the propellers stored differently.

OK, back in my cage.

[TF17Greg]

Dear all l have a couple of questions..if u can help me..

1. Yorktown had mk33 gun directors?

2. Those in the pictures are rope holes? (l don�t know if it�s the correct word).

Thanks in advance

[Dick J]

1. Yorktown had mk33 gun directors?

Yes, Yorktown had the open-topped MK-33 directors.

2. Those in the pictures are rope holes? (l don�t know if it�s the correct word).

Yes, those "holes" were for ropes, although I have only seen one photo (of Hornet, shortly before commissioning) where they were actually being used.

[TF17Greg]

1. Yorktown had mk33 gun directors?

Yes, Yorktown had the open-topped MK-33 directors.

2. Those in the pictures are rope holes? (l don�t know if it�s the correct word).

Yes, those "holes" were for ropes, although I have only seen one photo (of Hornet, shortly before commissioning) where they were actually being used.

Thanks Dick J really helps...

[TF17Greg]

Dear all thank you for your help...
as u can imagine l still have some questions on the hull
So here it is
I found this picture of Yorktown with 3 exhaust of cooling engine water (hope l�m saying it right)
Were there more than 3?
If yes you have an idea where?
Thanks in advance
Greg