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Re: RC Sloop of War Constellation c.1856

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most impressive home printing!!!

ship looks very good !

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Re: RC Sloop of War Constellation c.1856

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Great build and beautiful example of perseverance! :thumbs_up_1: :thumbs_up_1:
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Printing till it don't print no more

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Thank you gents, for your kind words.

I always intended to make the hammocks exposed as that's how the ship appears in every painting and most photos.
Same ship, different times
Same ship, different times
The 1856 painting of the ship at Naples is the one I'm basing the model on.
I was considering making some hammocks in Skulpty, making a rubber mold from that, and casting them in resin. 3D printing not only gets the end result, but I 3D modeled them hollow to save resin, make them cure better, make them lighter, and the whole thing is cheaper in terms of resin and effort, plus I can easily alter the file if need be.
Here's all 200 hammocks mostly in groups of 9.
A battalion of hammocks
A battalion of hammocks
The hammocks are on "trays" of 9 hammocks each.  All hollow to save resin/money and weight.
The hammocks are on "trays" of 9 hammocks each. All hollow to save resin/money and weight.
About half the hammocks printed, with a quick coat of "canvas" (white with some tan) airbrushed on.
About half the hammocks printed, with a quick coat of "canvas" (white with some tan) airbrushed on.
Some of the bullseyes printed before got attached to the bobstays, and put back on the boat with temporary lanyards.
Bobstays with 3D printed bullseyes
Bobstays with 3D printed bullseyes
I altered the oar model a little and took a shot at printing 45 at once. I didn't leave enough space between them and the supports got fused to the oars in a few places. It's been difficult to dig them out, but I'm managed 27 usable ones so far.
The Borg Cube of oars
The Borg Cube of oars
I printed a new wheel to replace the too-fragile one I bought, but I liked the wooded pedestal I made for the old one better. So I sawed off the resin pedestals. Now the wheel will spin again, so I'm reverting back to plan A and connecting the ropes to the rudder servo so the wheel will spin when the rudder moves.
Reverting back to the wheel's wooden pedestal
Reverting back to the wheel's wooden pedestal
The new skylight sashes and the wheel all got painted. The skylight sashes are glazed with a couple of microscope slides.
Skylight and wheel got painted
Skylight and wheel got painted
The skylight has a couple of microscope slides for glass and opens for access to the main power switch.
The skylight has a couple of microscope slides for glass and opens for access to the main power switch.
The gun circles (rails on the deck for the pivot guns to slide on) were hand cut from sheet styrene and were too sloppy, too wide, and too thin. I modeled new ones using the 3D model of the gun as a reference for size and proportion. These got printed in one go, but unlike the oars, I left more space between things so the supports would stick to the parts.
New gun circles were modeled using the 3D model for the guns as a reference to make them more accurate; and printed all in one go.
New gun circles were modeled using the 3D model for the guns as a reference to make them more accurate; and printed all in one go.
I just replaced the LCD screen on the printed a week or two ago when it went bad. After that I found there was an upgrade for my printer available that would reduce print time by as much as half, so I ordered that. While printing trays of hammocks two at a time (all that will fit on the plate) the vat got a small leak and stuck to the LCD. Before I realized what was happening, I'd torn off the ribbon connector. The upgrade screen hasn't come in yet, so no printing's been happening for a few days.

In the meantime I've been working on the 3D model of the 2nd cutter (which stacks on the 1st cutter on the main hatch). If I can get that to work, I can alter the file to also make the two quarter-boats (same boat but a little smaller) and the double-ended stern boat (whale boat).
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Re: RC Sloop of War Constellation c.1856

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Redid the skylight again so it'll close better and move the bars into the sash instead of sitting on it
Redid the skylight again so it'll close better and move the bars into the sash instead of sitting on it
Made 4 sets of bitts as shown in her 1884 deck plan and earliest photos
Made 4 sets of bitts as shown in her 1884 deck plan and earliest photos
Bitts
Bitts
Studding sail irons for the ends of the yards 3D printed
Studding sail irons for the ends of the yards 3D printed
An idea of where it will live
An idea of where it will live
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Re: RC Sloop of War Constellation c.1856

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increasingly excellent 3-D printed parts; makes all very intricate now!

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Re: RC Sloop of War Constellation c.1856

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As of the 6th of June...
More elaborate deck circles printed
More elaborate deck circles printed
Bow deck circles painted Steel
Bow deck circles painted Steel
Stern deck circles painted Steel
Stern deck circles painted Steel
Top rails made up, not permanently installed yet
Top rails made up, not permanently installed yet
printed gratings
printed gratings
Gratings placed in the companionway hatches at the capstan, and the bitts located and glued in place.
Gratings placed in the companionway hatches at the capstan, and the bitts located and glued in place.
When the brass square-stock came in, the outboard stuns'l boom irons got installed and painted.
When the brass square-stock came in, the outboard stuns'l boom irons got installed and painted.
Yards with stuns'l booms
Yards with stuns'l booms
Finally got some Olive paint that didn't need a higher credit score to get, and airbrushed the pivot gun carriages
Finally got some Olive paint that didn't need a higher credit score to get, and airbrushed the pivot gun carriages
Using Testors Flat Steel to pick out the gun's iron work
Using Testors Flat Steel to pick out the gun's iron work
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Re: RC Sloop of War Constellation c.1856

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The parts of the model that make it a warship - the pivot guns all painted.
Bow pivot gun
Bow pivot gun
Stern pivot gun
Stern pivot gun
without paint, for reference
Pivot gun just printed
Pivot gun just printed
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Re: RC Sloop of War Constellation c.1856

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Shifted work to another model trying to get it's controls in order. But Constellation did get some work done...
a pit of paint on some printed parts
a pit of paint on some printed parts
Connected to steering wheel to the rudder servo
Connected to steering wheel to the rudder servo
Pin rails installed at the base of the fore and main masts
Pin rails installed at the base of the fore and main masts
Futtock bands installed, and all brass blackened, even if will be painted.  Holes in tops for topmast shrouds drilled.
Futtock bands installed, and all brass blackened, even if will be painted. Holes in tops for topmast shrouds drilled.
Gluing down starboard side hammocks
Gluing down starboard side hammocks
Seam between hammock pieces and bulwark covered with a strip of basswood.  Still 3/4 of the rails to do like this.
Seam between hammock pieces and bulwark covered with a strip of basswood. Still 3/4 of the rails to do like this.
Need to get these fellows painted or I'll start referring to them as The Shadows
Need to get these fellows painted or I'll start referring to them as The Shadows
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Re: RC Sloop of War Constellation c.1856

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Jawdroppingly awesome. Wow ...
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Re: RC Sloop of War Constellation c.1856

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A bit of research nailed down that the ship was rigged with rigging-screws (turnbubkles) from the start (1855), and didn't get deadeyes-and-lanyards until nearly 1914.
The red arrows are the rubbing boards I was looking for when I realized this 1856 portrait of the ship showed she didn't have deadeyes-and-lanyards.
Constellation at Naples 1856 by deSimone
Constellation at Naples 1856 by deSimone
Finding good images or specs on these things is hard, but going with the best photo I could find, I came up with...
Constellation's rigging-screws c.1884 and 3D model on the right
Constellation's rigging-screws c.1884 and 3D model on the right
Obviously, you won't find these things, especially in 1:36 scale, at any vendor, and I couldn't even find left-handed taps and dies (or steel screws and nuts to use as taps and dies) to make a functional version with. Having had good luck with 3D printed parts in a somewhat "structural" use, I opted to model and print them. I saw 3D printing used to cast jewelry, and looked into that with the idea of having solid, non-functional ones in brass, but that's not looking like something I can afford to do, or have done.
Two rigging-screws in place to test
Two rigging-screws in place to test
After adjusting the 3D model, 45 more were printed...
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Re: RC Sloop of War Constellation c.1856

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very very good indeed--the 3-D prints really enhance the look

I was most impressed with the beautiful tracks... :thumbs_up_1: :thumbs_up_1:

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Constellation's Boats: The 2nd Cutter in 3D

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As 3D printing things for the models was going pretty well, I decided to also print the remaining boats. I had already built the launch and 1st cutter, and planned to build the 2nd cutter next, in the same way, but began a 3D model back in 2020.
Ship's launch and 1st cutter in wood with some 3D printed parts added.
Ship's launch and 1st cutter in wood with some 3D printed parts added.
3D wire-frame for 2nd cutter started in 2020 and forgotten.
3D wire-frame for 2nd cutter started in 2020 and forgotten.
Only the launch is "carvel planked" while all the rest are "clinker" or "lap-strake" with over lapping planks like house siding. That's much more tedious in 3D modeling than a smooth-hulled boat. Eventually I got something I could live with.
Tossed all but the keel and started over, till it was finally "planked."
Tossed all but the keel and started over, till it was finally "planked."
Then adding details, adjusting what seemed like everything all the time, and every one of 25 ribs.
Seats and a grating foredeck
Seats and a grating foredeck
Lots of adjustments and all the ribs in
Lots of adjustments and all the ribs in
Finally it was ready to be printed
Finally ready to print
Finally ready to print
It was made in two parts so it would fit in the printer, and the parts had to be arranged and written to the STL file, for slicing.
The slicing software said it would weight 29.9 grams (1.6 ounces), use $1.05 worth of resin, and take 4h 50m 57s to print.
In two parts to fit in the printer
In two parts to fit in the printer
To the printer it went...
Almost half printed
Almost half printed
Printing complete
Printing complete
After bonding the two parts together, the seam will need some clean up with files and sanding, then it'll get primed, painted, and a UV resistant clear coat. Then it'll be placed on the 1st cutter, after I make some boat chocks.
sitting where it will live, stacked on the 1st cutter.
sitting where it will live, stacked on the 1st cutter.
Over-all, the whole thing leans toward being too thin, but it's usable for me. I was going to share the STL on Thingiverse, but most folks that downloaded it would probably want to scale it down to one of the more common kit scales , and most of the surfaces would become membranes if not disappear entirely.

This expectation and experience is going into the 3D models of the remaining boats. Beside being able to scale them down, they need to be thicker/stronger, because they'll hang from davits out-board, which gives them a higher chance of being damaged in handling and operation.[/size]
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3D Printed Quarter Boat

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Once the 2nd cutter was printed, I focused more on the quarter boats. It's one 3D model, but two of them get printed to eventually hang on davits on the aft quarters of the ship.
x-ray view of quarter-boat in progress
x-ray view of quarter-boat in progress
3D model of quarter-boat
3D model of quarter-boat
These boats look very much like the cutters, but are a little longer, not as tall, with narrower sterns. At 1:36 scale, they're about 8-7/8th inches long (22.5cm). All the boats will be too long to print in one piece, and are made in halves, but both quarter-boats can be printed at once with room to spare.
In the slicer; done in halves to fit in the printer's available volume.
In the slicer; done in halves to fit in the printer's available volume.
Printing took about 5-1/2 hours.
Printed and washed
Printed and washed
Two quarter-boats and the 2nd cutter
Two quarter-boats and the 2nd cutter
Here's the boats sitting about where they'll live on the main model
Where the boats go on the main model
Where the boats go on the main model
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3D printed Whale Boat

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I started on the 3D model of the whale-boat before the quarter boats were done, and it was complete and printed overnight on the 7th. That's the last boat for Constellation.
Since then, it's been filling, filing, sanding, and repeat, to make the seams on all the boats go away before I prime and paint them.

I realize these model's are "low-poly" but they fit in with the level of detail of the over-all model, and it's not like I'm trying to sell them. I was going to post them on Thingiverse, but most folks that would want them would want to scale them down to a more common modeling scale; like 1:85 which is what that abomination Artesania Latina pukes out claims to be. Anyway, scaled down, I doubt these models could survive the print process, so I'm not going to inflict them on anybody.
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The fish skeleton phase of construction
The fish skeleton phase of construction
Inner planking surface made, outer surface in progress
Inner planking surface made, outer surface in progress
3D model completed
3D model completed
The model set-up for printing in the slicer
The model set-up for printing in the slicer
Whale boat printed
Whale boat printed
Both halves next to each other
Both halves next to each other
All Constellation's the 3D printed boats together
All Constellation's the 3D printed boats together
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Re: RC Sloop of War Constellation c.1856

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John Dahlgren submitted a drawing, dated July 31 1850, proposing his idea of the ideal armament for "First-Class Frigates" suggesting they be armed with six 10 inch pivot guns on the spar deck, and 26 9 inch guns on the gun deck. The Navy rejected the proposal, mostly; they opted for two 10 inch pivots and the gun deck armed with 8 inch shell-guns and 32# shot guns, and the big frigates, razees (cut down frigates) were armed in this manner, including Constellation, the newest, and largest sloop-of-war that wasn't a razeed frigate.
10 Shell Gun ~ Pivot Carriage<br />from Dahlgren's 1850 proposal
10 Shell Gun ~ Pivot Carriage
from Dahlgren's 1850 proposal
On a visit to the ship, years ago, they showed the Mississippi Pivot Gun plans, saying that was what Constellation was originally armed with; which were eventually replaced with Parrott rifle pivots, a plan they also showed me. I took some pictures of the Parrott plans, but went to the National Archives in College Park Maryland, to get a proper copy of the Mississippi plan.
On August 26 1854, the sloop-of-war Constellation would be launched. Almost a year later, June 1855, the plan for the 10 inch pivot guns for the side-wheel frigate Mississippi was drawn. Another year on, Constellation was commissioned on July 28 1855.
Plan for Mississippi's 10 inch pivot guns of 86cwt
Plan for Mississippi's 10 inch pivot guns of 86cwt
It seemed to me to be unlikely the ship would be armed with a gun from a plan drawn a year after her launch, while her razeed contemporaries were armed with the Dahlgren around the same time, 1853~1856. So far, I haven't been able to track down any sort of documentation that can nail down precisely which 10 inch shell gun Constellation got. The Mississippi gun is, so far as I've seen, always referred to as a "10 inch shell-gun of 86cwt" while the Dahlgren simply referred to as a "10 shell-gun" or a "X inch shell-gun." I haven't yet found a references to Constellation's guns as "86cwt." The 10 inch Dahlgren is 120cwt, and I've never seen anything referring to it in that way.

Since it's really isn't that big a job, being able to 3D print now; I decided to switch the model's pivot guns to Dahlgrens. Since I was already making the 3D model for my Naval Gun project, it didn't really add to the work-load.
3D model of X inch Dahlgren pivot
3D model of X inch Dahlgren pivot
The slide for this gun, while very like the Mississippi gun's slide, was wider and shorter. I used the slide from the 3D model of the previous pivot gun, shortened and widened, which saved some time and effort.
I printed the gun in three parts; slide, carriage, and tube; to facilitate painting, and reducing what I'd need to reprint if one of the parts failed. The first gun lost one of it's rollers, but I could fix that without reprinting. The second gun printed perfectly.
Second gun, fresh off the printer
Second gun, fresh off the printer
New Dahlgrens next to the gun they're replacing
New Dahlgrens next to the gun they're replacing
A shorter slide meant I needed to make new deck tracks, which I 3D modeled like last time, but I made them short/thinner to be more in scale.
new_tracks.png
The guns are mounted on access hatches, fore and aft. I removed the old tracks, sanded the scars best I could, and re-coated the hatch decking with polyurethane. The newly printed tracks were primed, painted, glued onto the hatches, painted again, and the whole thing was clear-coated. The guns too were primed, and the tubes painted and detailed, but the carriages and slides are waiting to be painted the same olive color as the old set.
Deck hatches cleared of old tracks and refinished.
Deck hatches cleared of old tracks and refinished.
Aft pivot
Aft pivot
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Forward pivot
Forward pivot
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After airbrushing on a couple of coats of Testor's Flat Olive, I painted all the hardware with Testor's Flat Steel, then cut in the Olive again to neaten things up. The rollers were lignum vitae, a very hard wood used for such things, including sheaves in blocks, and bushing blocks, and so on. These I painted "Rust."
Getting painted
Getting painted
The aft gun (left in photo) lost a roller during printing and I replaced it with a bit of mahogany dowel, and filled in the missing portions with built up resin ~ drip some in, zap with UV, drip in some more, zap again, etc. There's a little more touch-up painting, and then clear-coat to do.
Almost ready for rigging
Almost ready for rigging
These will get attached to the access hatches as shown, with two screws each. Eye-bolts will get installed along with the blocks and tackle used to shift the guns about on deck. The aft gun is set off like that and will have a few crew members around it to be more interesting, and out of the way of the spanker sheet - this is a working model after all. The forward gun is left centered and no figures will be up here to keep clear of the heads'l sheets.
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Re: RC Sloop of War Constellation c.1856

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Besides working on other model besides Constellation, like my Pride of Baltimore, I went and had a stroke back near the end of June. Basically the summer was shot, as far as getting any work done. I am getting detailed things back, like handwriting, but it's gotten cold, and there's no heat in my shop/garage, so getting physical work done is still stalled. My goals for the spring are getting Pride sailing, if not finished; and beginning proper rigging of Constellation.

To that end, an item Constellation needs before rigging can begin are her pin-rails. It'll be near impossible to install them once the rigging's going up, and many rigging items attach to the pin-rails.

I opted to 3D print the pin-rails that attach to the bulwarks as I did the ones at the base of the masts.
3D printed Pin-rail at base of the fore-mast
3D printed Pin-rail at base of the fore-mast
There are basically four pairs of pin-rails: Port and starboard at the mizzen, main, fore, and a pair at the bow on either side of the bowsprit.

Building from the 3D models of the mast rails, mostly belaying pins and the shape of the rail, and getting size and shape from an 1888 spar-deck plan, and the few photos that show enough of anything to work with; I started with the aft rails. The printed with a little deformity at one end that was repairable, but I also had forgotten to account for the fact that the bulwark they attach to leaned inboard and I had not modeled in that angle. I fixed the 3D model and it printed perfectly.
Aft pin-rails just printed
Aft pin-rails just printed
Aft pin-rail sitting where they'll be installed after primer, paint, and UV protective measures
Aft pin-rail sitting where they'll be installed after primer, paint, and UV protective measures
The mid-ships and forward rails had what I thought were cavals but in better photos turned out to be big clunking square belaying pins like carpenter's mallets. (note: I just discovered the aft pin-rails had one of these as well, so I have to fix that model again)
These were also too long to print as a single piece, so I modeled them in two halves to be bonded together after printing.
Mid-ships pin-rail printed in two parts to fit in the print-space of the printer
Mid-ships pin-rail printed in two parts to fit in the print-space of the printer
Mid-ships pin-rail where it will go
Mid-ships pin-rail where it will go
Forward pin-rails in their spot
Forward pin-rails in their spot
Next came the bow pin-rails which I appear in many photos, the best being from 1926;
1926 photo showing bow pin-rails
1926 photo showing bow pin-rails
The bulwark here leans outboard so the back angle of the rail needed to be reversed
Bow pin rails just printed
Bow pin rails just printed
Bow pin-rails sitting in their spots
Bow pin-rails sitting in their spots
There's a fife-rail around the base of the mizzen (rear-most) mast, but I can find any thing showing pin-rails at the stern. There may be pin-rails in the mast tops, or just cleats seized to the shrouds. to determine this will require investigating the ship's contemporaries as I haven't found anything specific to Constellation regarding it.
These rails need to be drilled for attachment pins; then primed, painted, and clear-coated before they can be installed.
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Pin-rails, cont.

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While checking images for other pin-rails, I found a little detail in one photo that I verified in others; the mizzen pin-rails also had a mallet-like pin in it, probably for the mizzen tops'l yard. It also had more pin, closer together than I initially modeled.
Note the red arrow
Note the red arrow
So I fixed the model and printed a new pair:
Final version of aft/mizzen pin-rail
Final version of aft/mizzen pin-rail
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Re: RC Sloop of War Constellation c.1856

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excellent boats!!! and excellent guns !!

its a great looking model getting better with each addition

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Re: RC Sloop of War Constellation c.1856

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Installing the pin-rails is a bit involved. Painting the bulwarks after the pin-rails are installed would be a huge pain-in-the-a$$.

The 3D printed hammock are on "trays" that are slightly wider than the bulwark to accommodate any irregularities. That overhang has to be ground flush with the bulwarks, so a covering board trim piece can hide the seam.
3D printed trays of hammocks
3D printed trays of hammocks
How the model's bulwarks are constructed
How the model's bulwarks are constructed
That done, any gap were filled with epoxy/sawdust putty, and the bulwarks got painted. I also painted the hammocks, but the color doesn't look canvas enough for me.
Hammock trays ground flush, and some paint
Hammock trays ground flush, and some paint
The covering board is a strip of stained basswood.
seam cover on
seam cover on
The 3D printed pin-rails are drilled for mounting pins, those holes are transferred to the bulwarks and 1/16" brass rod pins hold them. The pin-rails will get epoxied to the bulwarks and the supports will get installed. Then it'll be time to do the port side!
Pin-rails pinned
Pin-rails pinned
In between the step, waiting for paint and/or glue to dry, I made cradles for the boats, painted the boats, inside and out, made new crown-bitts, and blocks.
Boat's on their new cradles
Boat's on their new cradles
New crown-bitts and an old one
New crown-bitts and an old one
3D model of working and static large blocks
3D model of working and static large blocks
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